Reply author: Matt the Rat
Replied on: 05 Nov 2005 11:33:54
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In the bad old days I would pre-bait with something yummy and then mix up some ZP. Farmers are always impressed with a big pile of bodies!

It sounds to me like they must be under the bales. Are they modern biggies or conventional? If its biggies, you may be able to borrow a handler and move them a few at a time. When re-stacking, use pallets with bait under. My experience is that rats always prefer to eat on their doorstep than risk exposing themselves to predators. If you bait under the pallets there is less chance of the bait getting mixed in with the bales. I know its a big undertaking to move large quantities of bales (I once had 5000 conventional bales moved), but it may be the only way to achieve swift control. Every day those rats are there they are costing the farmer money, so a days hardwork could be viewed as a cheaper way than the usual method. Once you have control, install loads of perimeter bait stations (I know, CRRU dont like it) and time your visits to co-inside with major farm operations. The hardest thing is getting the farmer to change his ways.............

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Reply author: Fenn Man
Replied on: 05 Nov 2005 18:16:34
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Originally posted by andyb


I can't even use the old two stroke method.

ANDY B

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Why Not, mate?

My own armchair theorising on this ~ all two minutes of it! ~ makes me think of ' FUMIGATION '.

Like, ok; The buggers are obviously going to be harbouring 'Inside' those bails, right? I've hand shifted even Loose straw, searching for a rabbit, and somehow slung that rabbit over with the handfulls of straw. (Yep. If I hadn't done that myself, I'd never have believed it possible either! ) So that sort of stuffs us for any ideas about ringing the lot and then chucking it all out, over a fence or net, and murdering what's revealed beneath that last layer.

But this reminded me of a Ships Hold situation. Would it not be possible to run a hose to the top of the bails and let the engine idle as all that lovely, stinking CM sinks and permeates the entire block? Effectively Fumigating the entire sheds?


Oh well. Easy for me to say. But equelly easy for you - Being There - to have half conciously noted the reasons why ye can't do that, of course. After all; I'm the guy who as good as ordered some woman to buy a mink trap after listening to her story on line. She didn't. But caught the offending damn CAT anyway!


Nothing quite like physically Being There to get a proper idea of a job .....

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Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 05 Nov 2005 18:42:24
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Think petrol and match specially tonight would work wonderfully.

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Reply author: Fenn Man
Replied on: 07 Nov 2005 15:10:43
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18? Is that the most ye've had on one hit then, mate?

Now ye have a free hand; How about bunging down any of the bigger, multi catch cages ye may have available? Legg Multi or Young's Eclipse? Can't hurt to chuck anything like that down, under some old sacking, on a semi permanent basis. Get one or two in there and see what the rest do?

Remember also: We're not allowed to scent Bait (boxes?), but there's no law against scent lure in a trap. I'd love to try a spot of oil in a situation like that.

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Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 07 Nov 2005 15:18:36
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Depends if the money is there for lots of visits, but I would hit it with every thing I could.Liquid bait,dust, gas,smoke terriers. Suggested an old carcase in building, similar to Matts give them something exotic.
Andy keep us informed.

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Reply author: BRY
Replied on: 07 Nov 2005 17:11:55
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andy if you need any help and your up Glouster way ? i up for ratting being terriers, air rifles, 410, night sight.
down to 1 terrier for the rats now thou.
Nothing better to get the adrenaline going than sorting out a load rats lol. with the smoker and u got a large area to cover more knowelgeable help u got the better?
Bryan (newport s. Wales)

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Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 10 Nov 2005 19:41:24
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Andy, glad to hear it.Perhaps your'll take all your mates rat jobs.

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Reply author: Matt the Rat
Replied on: 10 Nov 2005 19:46:57
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Andy, I know you have experience, but be careful with the contact dust near grub. Once saw a farm with contact dust everwhere, including on bales of hay destined for horses. The farmer thought it was tracking dust and was absorbed through the feet!
Glad the Toms are working!

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Reply author: BRY
Replied on: 10 Nov 2005 20:34:08
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just re-read my posting , it sounds like i'm saying i'm more knowedgeable than yourselfs.
i didn't mean it to come across like that, SORRY.
i was offering a helping hand.
Maybe i should stick to reading the posts lol
Bry (no harm meant andy)

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Reply author: ben
Replied on: 10 Nov 2005 21:21:02
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intresting to see some of the ideas that you guys have only being in the job for the last year it makes good reading for someone in rural east angila. good luck andy keep us up to date .

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Reply author: Fenn Man
Replied on: 11 Nov 2005 17:06:43
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Originally posted by andyb

The mark 2 rat master gasser came today, I am getting them made up at a garden machinery place called E Buckland and sons in Tibberton Glos.

ANDY B

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Enquiring minds, mate ....?

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Reply author: Matt the Rat
Replied on: 14 Nov 2005 20:38:37
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Paragon do a similar product called 'Racan'. Grain quality is outstanding, and it smells just like dairy milk (active is difenecoum).
Try adding some drinking chocolate powder to the Toms.

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Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 18 Nov 2005 19:22:01
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Lets hope he doesn't remove to many bales on saturday, you don't want them spooked!

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Reply author: Helen
Replied on: 18 Nov 2005 20:11:11
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Nick, I think they may of been spoked already by having their home blasted with CO, dogs chasing them, ferrets attacking the missus, andy's terrrible flute playing, and a bullet up the ****.

Helen

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Reply author: Helen
Replied on: 22 Nov 2005 09:18:52
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Andy of course the blocks are as good as the pellets and the grain!

Helen

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Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 27 Nov 2005 16:02:45
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Andy, glad we all could be of help.

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Reply author: ben
Replied on: 27 Nov 2005 17:02:12
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glad to see you got the buggers its been intresting reading hopfuly you may get a few more jobs out of this one as good work spreads though word of mouth the greatest ad's we have well donr
ben

you learn as you go

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Reply author: Helen
Replied on: 28 Nov 2005 11:03:09
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Let us know the head count?

Helen

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Reply author: Fenn Man
Replied on: 05 Dec 2005 16:55:12
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'Victory Roll' through their charred remains, mate? Or don't you do that sort of thing?

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