Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 23 Sep 2006 09:26:48
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I fear that this problem may be with us for a while, partly as some organisations get their web sites belatedly updated and partly as some sellers try and get rid of unsold stock.

Will the HSE / PSD have a 'police force' out there actively checking on sellers / users ref products that should have been withdrawn? Personally, I doubt it - they have plenty more important things to be doing. But they should respond to complaints - so perhaps we should start complaining to them.

Remember that the products that have been withdrawn have been so because of COMMERCIAL rather than SAFETY reasons. The manufacturers concerned have decided that they will not invest in supporting certain actives, particularly when they had no guarantee that this (extremely large) investment would actually result in an active being accepted. Perhaps the classic example of this is Cymag.

We must hope that the 'product stewardship' responsibilities of the manufacturers will kick in and lazy / irresponsible retailers will be 'persuaded' to fall in line.

The court case nigel refers to above followed after the company concerned had ignored warnings to stop supplying products that had never been approved, which is rather different from the current situation. However, if sellers continue brazenly flouting quiet 'words in shell-likes', then court cases could follow.

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Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 23 Sep 2006 12:08:13
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Cymag still used Czech republic.
Yes it is legal there.

Working for co-operation ,not division between OUR Associations.

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Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 23 Sep 2006 13:27:49
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quote:

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Originally posted by NickA

Cymag still used Czech republic.
Yes it is legal there.

Working for co-operation ,not division between OUR Associations.

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Yes .......but what is it been on (or should that be who is it been used on ).........

Brian

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Reply author: Dusty
Replied on: 23 Sep 2006 23:59:09
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Is there not a cut off date (usually some months or years) for suppliers to dispose of stock through normal market practices and then a period after that (usually some months) for the purchaser to use up current stock?

Don't feed them, get Rid of them

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Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 24 Sep 2006 09:03:18
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Yes - and we've been through all those dates for the products specified.

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Reply author: Dusty
Replied on: 24 Sep 2006 11:49:22
Message:

Then no sympathy needed or should be given!!

Don't feed them, get Rid of them

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Reply author: nigel
Replied on: 26 Sep 2006 15:21:46
Message:

It would also appear that some may just be making up their own products;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/exclusive-new-product-mole-exterminater-LOOK_W0QQitemZ160034278433QQihZ006QQcategoryZ75581QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Reply author: Boxing Hare
Replied on: 26 Sep 2006 17:15:34
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What the hell is it? - Creosote!

Have 'Asked a Question' to discover what the item is.

If they let me know, I'll post the reply.

Must be a lot, as you pour it down the 'Mile Hill.' Wonderful spelling and grammar!

Wonder how many he's sold!!

Maybe I'll even buy some, just for fun!! Maybe not!!

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Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 26 Sep 2006 18:24:24
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soil contamination springs to mind here............is it legal ,is it licenced,are the chemicals used safe ...........etc,etc

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/exclusive-new-product-mole-exterminater-LOOK_W0QQitemZ160034278433QQihZ006QQcategoryZ75581QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


not to mention the results it may have on the environment and other wildlife........and certainly to human life .

Brian

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Reply author: Paul W
Replied on: 26 Sep 2006 20:33:48
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It may just be renadine re-bottled.Nasty smelling stuff so would possibly be effective on mr mole.

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Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 26 Sep 2006 22:19:31
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I too e mailed this guy selling the stuff ............this is his replys ..........

1st e mail
hello,
thanks for your advise but my product is made up from household things easily brought from any shop plus my own addatives,it is safe,easy to use and really works,so you know what you can do with your advise,what do you sell,those traps that take ages to set and hardly work at all or is it the sonic sound transmitters,these are all rubbish i know i have tried them all and compared to my product they are crap,i know my product contains nothing that you cannot buy in shops,thanks for your interest,mike r

2nd e mail
hello,
please read this carefully,you are about the tenth person to advise me of the facts,all my product are safe to use and registered,it is made from among other things ordinary pestiside with my own safe addative,this really works,it has nothing to do with strickneen ect,thanks,mike



so this guy is mixing pesticides with household chemicals ........................sounds like bomb making to me ........and he even says its safe and registered ........................dumb sh*t!

Brian

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Reply author: Dusty
Replied on: 26 Sep 2006 22:49:54
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Hare, creosote is a timber preservative. Widely used in Australia on posts buried in the ground and sub floor timbers on houses up until the 1980's
It then was labelled as a possible cacinogen and had some of its application restricted.
It is a very nasty prouct if you accidentally get it on your skin as it burns and causes blisters (one wonders what it does to lungs)
This site might shed some light
http://www.tpaa.com.au/creosote.htm

Don't feed them, get Rid of them

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Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 26 Sep 2006 23:22:05
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would you belive it ...........I went on e bay`s community board to air my views regarding the sale of this stuff ..........and got threatened by e bay staff for mentioning it ...............dont they realise what this guy is selling.......or trying to sell.

Brian

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Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 27 Sep 2006 07:42:14
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I have also had a 'conversation' with this joker and have told him that unless he can provide me with a proper Approval number, I will have to conclude that his product is illegal and I will bring it to the attention of the HSE.

I'll give him a couple of days to consider his position then will formally complain to Mike Potts at the Bootle office of HSE. He probably isn't the person who will deal with this, but should know who is.

We must stop just complaining when we see these sorts of things happening - we must actually take the proper action, whether it is a 'kitchen chemist' like this, or a farm shop selling aluminium phosphide to anyone.

Thanks to everyone else that has actually written to the guy or has raised it with e-bay. The more pressure the better.

Brian, please post the details of the 'e-bay community board' so I (and maybe a few others?) can get stuck in.

We have to protect our industry.

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Reply author: Boxing Hare
Replied on: 27 Sep 2006 09:44:46
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Dusty

Hare, creosote is a timber preservative. Widely used in Australia on posts buried in the ground and sub floor timbers on houses up until the 1980's
It then was labelled as a possible cacinogen and had some of its application restricted.
It is a very nasty prouct if you accidentally get it on your skin as it burns and causes blisters (one wonders what it does to lungs)
This site might shed some light
http://www.tpaa.com.au/creosote.htm

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Hi - Dusty. Thanks for the advice, but it was really meant as a joke.

Creosote has been an illegal 'Old Farmers' method of treating moles for years, and hence my 'humerous' response.

The smell simply drove the moles out of the existing runs and into fresh land. This must be how this works. Oh yes, and it totally polluted the land and water course, but what the hell - at least the moles were gone!!

Perhaps I should start selling strips of Dog Rose and Brambles, to shove down the holes as an 'Organic' and safe mole 'Exterminator.' (Another Joke!!) - Yet another 'Old Gardeners' mole trick.

Coming Soon to an eBay Store near you!

The seller responded to me also - as below:

'hello,my formular is part pesticide and part organic and it really works and is easy to use,thanks,mike'

God knows what it is, but it must contraviene a number of laws.

Iain sounds like he is on the ball with this one. Well done.

Still very tempted to waste a few pounds on buying some, simply to find out how it's package / labelled, etc. and what it states it contains.

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Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 27 Sep 2006 10:00:46
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Here is the second response from the "kitchen chemist" when I pointed out that what he was doing appeared to be illegal:

"hello again,if you feel you have to report me to whoever go ahead,my product is safe,and once established will be very popular as it works better than anything else,mike,so do not bother me again as if you go ahead and report the facts you will be waisting everones time".

I will proceed to report his activities to the HSE.

Even if you buy his product I doubt that his label will reveal much - that is if you can understand his 'quaint' use of the English 'langwidge' (joke!)

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Reply author: Paul W
Replied on: 27 Sep 2006 10:07:04
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I have reported this to ebay also,see what they come back with.I recently sold a sparrowhawk taxidermy piece,listed legally with the appropriate A10 forms,but it was removed first time round and was threatened with legal action and lectured about the wildlife & countryside act 1981! I probably know more about the act than the muppet who sent the E-mail to me! seems they pick and choose who gets removed!

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Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 27 Sep 2006 10:27:21
Message:

I have just spoken to HSE & DEFRA regarding this joker chemist .......and they are taking it VERY serious indeed.

..The guy even had the cheek to ask me if I wanted to buy some...........
I should have really (just to get it analyzed and find out his address details).........but why put lives at risk







Brian

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Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 27 Sep 2006 10:29:47
Message:

Iain!


I got chucked off community board last night for brinnging it up in conversation by e bay staff...and threatened with expulsion from e bay .

Brian

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Reply author: Paul W
Replied on: 28 Sep 2006 20:33:06
Message:

Mr mole exterminater is no longer on E-bay.Hope he has the book thrown at him,doubt it will happen tho!

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Reply author: Bob Staines
Replied on: 29 Sep 2006 16:17:46
Message:

phew ! he told me he had reported ME to ebay for my less than pleasant email.

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Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 29 Sep 2006 21:10:56
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Bob Staines

phew ! he told me he had reported ME to ebay for my less than pleasant email.

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I bet it was`nt as bad as the one I sent him after he asked me to buy some off him ...............lol

Brian

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