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3bigbass
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 20:52:50
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I'm about to take the plunge and buy a ULV machine later this summer ready for the wasps queens and the Cluster Flies.
Any recommendations? Killgerm only seem to sell one Exodus? Anybody using one?
Also are they any good against bed bugs/fleas
I just won a bed bug job at a good price and the guy showed me the quote from 'verybigcompanyokil'which was FIVE times my price
I used Cimetrol and everything seems fine now after the call back visit.
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Matt the Rat
Moderator
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Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 21:45:31
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My choice would be a B&G; Eurofogger.
There is a thread on here all about it (yes it is ULV).
The major advantage is that you dont need to buy prep in the special bottles - you can put anything that is approved for ULV through it.
It is also cheaper to buy; around �250. A good, versitile machine.
http://www.pestcontrolportal.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=330&SearchTerms;=ULV |
Edited by - Matt the Rat on 13 Aug 2007 22:45:57 |
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Jonathan Peck
Senior Member
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 22:49:22
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Matt
The saving on chemicals will more than pay for it over quite a short period of time and the lower chemical usage will be far more environmentally friendly. Also you will not have to wear the full protective clothing when you use it because you can set it up on the timer and be out of the room whilst it is actually working. There is nothing more scary to a householder than a PCO dressed like something out of a CDC horror movie!
Best wishes
Jonathan Peck
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Matt the Rat
Moderator
408 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 23:17:55
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Jonathan
I agree, but if you wanted to carry out treatment at organic sites it would require the use of Aquapy.
I think the idea of remote control is great. I have used the switch on the plug socket to remotely turn the machine on in the past.
I dont think the saving on chemicals would be that different between machine types - the saving on bottle types could be huge.
The other advantage of the B&G; is that you can get a longer delivery pipe which is useful when treating suspended ceiling areas.
I wouldn't bother with fleas or bedbugs; ULV comes into its own for flying insects because the droplets stay airborne for so long. |
Edited by - Matt the Rat on 13 Aug 2007 23:24:12 |
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Jonathan Peck
Senior Member
United Kingdom
114 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 10:42:15
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Matt
Aquapy is available in the dedicated bottles for the Exodus. Unless you have a digital timer which can turn the unit on, leave it running for a given number of seconds and then turn itself off again, you will be vastly overdosing in domestic and normal commercial premises.
The savings on chemical on the Exodus have been proven by PCOs to be very significant because it is very much more efficient than the B&G; in use.
We sell the B&G; as well as the Exodus and have had both tested at Imperial College. The Exodus produces droplets in the average of 15 - 20 microns. The B&G; is around 35 - 40 microns. That is OK for horticulture but not ideal for public health use.
Since it shouldn't be necessary to point a ULV machine at at area in order to treat it, you shouldn't need a long hose for suspended ceilings. Droplets should be carried on the air currents if they are the right size. If they are too big, they drop out too quickly. We have had some spectactular successes with suspended ceilings.
Best wishes
Jonathan Peck
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Madmax
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 20:42:03
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Gotta admit, the NEBULO is an impressive piece of kit.
Ive used microgens in the past and the fact you can vary what you put through a Nebulo is ideal for each different job AND also costs far less in insecticide than having to buy specific Microgen bottles. Also the 4 litre tank is invaluable.
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Bob Newey
Senior Member
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Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 22:28:19
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I've had my Exodus for about 12 months and it does the job well. I haven't really needed or bothered with the timer although in some circumstances I would imagine it would be very useful.
It's very robust although a little on the heavy side but it certainly looks the part and impresses the customer. |
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Paulf
Junior Member
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Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 23:45:51
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I bought a Nebulo puerly as for some jobs the cadged Exodus would be restricted due to size. With the nebulo you can point nose in atleast (very tight inspection hatches of the 2' square variety).
Aside from cluster i have been glad of it for waspnests that have come down through the ceiling or been freshly disturbed. I only use insectaban. |
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Iain
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 08:22:32
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It's a question of 'horses for courses'. I'm sure the Exodus is a good bit of kit - but you need to decide whether it is suitable for your specific needs.
Do you need to treat small or large areas, or a mix? If you are regularly treating large areas, get a suitably large machine, otherwise a small machine is sufficient. If you get the odd large job, you will simply need to spray for longer.
Do you need to use only ULV formulations, or will you also need to apply 'cold fog' products (which use larger droplet sizes)? If ULV is your main requirement, get a dedicated ULV machine which doesn't need too much setting up. If you need both, get a variable machine but be prepared to spend more time measuring and setting up appropriate flow rates.
Just how portable does it need to be? A large machine can get very heavy if you have to lug it around a lot.
Do you need a timer on the machine? Usually this is only needed to treat large areas 'out of hours' when you cannot afford to be there. Remember most ULV treatments take a matter of seconds - a few minutes at most - to complete. If you are there at the time of spraying, you are in much greater control.
Needless to say (as I don't sell the Exodus), I tend to favour the smaller, more versatile machines like the B & G 2600 and the Igeba Nebulo as you can vary the droplet size by controlling the flow rates. They can be used for insecticidal ULV space sprays when the flow rate is restricted, or opened up for use with disinfectants and deoderants, which require larger droplets to be deposited onto surfaces.
This versatility has proved extremely valuable in recent weeks for some of our customers who have switched from pest control work to cleaning up flooded homes, without having to buy different application machines.
I would also say that I would not advise the use of ULV insecticide applications for controlling insects like fleas or bed bugs. These insects need to be controlled using residual formulations (wps, scs, microcaps or dusts) of insecticides specifically applied to the surfaces and harbourages of these pests.
How many times have I heard of pest controllers allegedly 'fumigating' a room for these pests with a quick squirt of a ULV machine? Fine if this has been done as a sop to the expectations of the client at the end of a proper residual treatment - but is not effective by itself. Unfortunately the myth that the tiny droplets find their way into all the cracks and crevices where these pests harbour has been perpetuated over the years.
They don't. |
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