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eekamouse
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 18:28:53
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As many of you know I've been in this industry for nigh 30 years, and I was out setting my snares this evening,(a rabbit problem on a golf course where bugsy is a bit canny of the cage trap and lamp) and I had a little thought about how I used to move rabbits with Renardine (now banned) Gas them with Cyanide (now banned) and incidentally all this time I have still been setting my little Imbras for them with good results. Most average Joes don't recognise the Imbra as a legal trap, (as Fenny well knows) but as a toothless gin it skipped through the legislation with ease: Now, I've been rabbiting for all this time, I've never had an aciident with Cymag, my rifle, my shotgun, my ferrets,cage traps, snares etc.
I work alone up here and don't see a pestie, or anyone from the legal side of the industry from one year to the next, and now did you know in Scotland they are considering the banning of snares. I won't be in the debate I'm sure!
Sorry folks; snares are not cruel. Set well and high between beats they are efficient and as long as you are up before dawn to check, no problem. I like snaring, it brings out the field-craft, hunter in me. I empty the bladders of rabbits on fresh set snares, I leave fresh droppings in the run to give confidence to the rabbits, oh and I work a little fur around the wire with a rabbit skin glove. I don't use hemp cord, but braided rot proof cord.
So I think if this does come to pass then I will retire gracefully and put my feet up for a well earned rest!
Sorry to ramble, but my question here is three-fold, and please be honest. 1. Do you snare? 2. Do you feel snaring has its place in modern pest control 3.Do you think it is cruel?
I'd like to hear views from afar, and see that well maybe I am a bit of an old dinosaur after all!
Regards Dave
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Edited by - eekamouse on 28 Jan 2008 18:40:15
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The Spotlight Kid
Hyperactive Member
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Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 18:43:29
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Nothing wrong with being a dinosaur Dave. Seriously though you probably know my feelings on the general subject of the shrinking pest control armoury and how short sighted it is, whether it's to pander to the environmental/wildlife lobby or to the EC. We cannot afford to lose anything else!
If I can step down off the soap box to answer your questions, they are:
1 Yes
2 Yes
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
1253 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 19:59:43
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Yes, Yes, No if set right.
Pests are smart - We're smarter
www.rpcwildlife.co.uk |
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The Spotlight Kid
Hyperactive Member
583 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 19:59:57
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Nothing wrong with being a dinosaur Dave. Seriously though you probably know my feelings on the general subject of the shrinking pest control armoury and how short sighted it is, whether it's to pander to the environmental/wildlife lobby or to the EC. We cannot afford to lose anything else!
If I can step down off the soap box to answer your questions, they are:
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2 Yes
3 No |
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The Spotlight Kid
Hyperactive Member
583 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 20:30:25
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What did I press to make that happen ?????
I was just scrolling down with the mouse (honest guv) and my previous post duplicated before my eyes. I've only had one small glass of Bunnahabhain single malt too. Better have another one quick. |
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Paul W
Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 21:01:06
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I used to do alot of snaring for fox and rabbit. A properly set snare should simply hold the animal till you can dispatch cleanly the next morning,therefore cannot be cruel,a baly set snare can be ruel catching by the body,leg or i have even seen by a toe or bollock in the case of fox snares!
I do enjoy seeing a nice haul of rabbits the following morning and wish i still had the opportunity to continue the art.  |
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Ra-a-killie
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jan 2008 : 21:29:01
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I agre snaring is one of the nessisaries when dealing with rabbits, but when i was at one of my suppliers the other week I was reading through a previous Tech Today magazine and they where using netting placed down wind that was around waste high and created a saggy rumpled net on the ground and pinned down. It was quiet an interesting read, but I do think from reading the article that the time of setting up the netting is quiet costly yet saves on rifle pellets.
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Fenn Man
Senior Member
Ireland
454 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 00:32:07
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1. Yes (All sorts of things)
2. Yes.
3. No. But that's an objective view. I don't suppose the creatures we have to kill would see it that way though.
Ra; Sounds like a Long Net, mate.
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mole trapper
Junior Member
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 17:48:50
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When rabbit snaring gets banned in england it will seriously affect my business, from April to August/September other than wasps, rabbit clearance is my occupation, During this period i will be running anything up to five hundred snares, one hundred and fifty Springers, all of these backed up by Night vision and the rifles plus ferreting.
Now as for the humanity side of things, surely the fact that the customers refuse to have me out in the winter, instead waiting till coneys main time of reproduction is surely more of an issue. In the main with the figure of four snares the rabbits are just held and squat, however most are found dead in my hoops, the exception to this rule is when a sodding badger is working my lines, then everything is dead, trashed and destroyed.
Now this will get a few backs up but there you go, personally i would prefer to see snaring licensed to pro use only with every snare carrying the individuals ref no, than lose this very valuable tool, because of noddies playing at it and buggering it up for people that treat the method with the respect that it deserves. |
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Talpa
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 18:36:45
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Hi,
yes,yes,no.
I agree with Mole Trapper that Licensing would be an idea to help keep this useful tool, backed up with env. risk assessments, numbers laid, plan etc for each job to have the inevitable paper trail to satisfy Gov't agencies and other interferers. More paper work and training tickets to collect and pay for but has to be worth it to enable us to use snares when situations are appropriate. Who would police it though,as we hear of many amateurs still with sheds of 'banned' pesticide products, and non professional users of Rodenticides the probable cause of much of the secondary poisonings
ID Tags on snares would be a catastrophe as the first thing the anti's will do is to lift them and lay them around Badger Sett, Mrs Jones back gate, or any other sensetive area where they are likely to be found, massive Press/Media coverage would follow and hey presto a couple of incidents later Bill Oddie and Paul Mcartney giving press conferences and Snares disappear for good under some new or ammended wildlife/ cruelty legislation rushed through by the Gov't in another knee jerk reaction, Pest controllers public persona slips even lower than it is now. The people caught out lose livelihood, probably alienated by local community and hung out to dry after serving prison sentence. |
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nigel
Hyperactive Member
577 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 16:13:35
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Fenn Man
Senior Member
Ireland
454 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 01:22:17
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Not personally, Nigel. Because, by the time I found out how, I was here. No squirrls to speak of round me now. But I know a man who does.
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Talpa
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 08:03:44
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Nigel, have a look here http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37300
article by Glenn Waters. Step by step guides to snaring by him will save many people hours/years of frustration and fruitless effort.
A search of the sitewill also show some sets where figure 4's are used with benders on a fenceline.
Regards
Talpa
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nigel
Hyperactive Member
577 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 08:14:26
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In my army days on survival courses we would be shown how to make and use a wide variety of traps, most if not all illegal to use in our line of work but they were very effective, simple to make and worked, squirrel poles was one such method, yet is legal to use, yet is never taught as far as I am aware.
Just wondered if anyone actually used them.
I have the GW link somewhere and it does show how this method is used, just surprised that pesties do not use this method. |
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Thoughts on rabbit control
