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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
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 Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 20:46:31
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Adrian, it leaves you exactly where you are. If we had no licencing, the thought of having to shell out for formal training and then ongoing costs to obtain a licence might dampen my spirits too.
We all have our comfort zone, and my guess is that most in UK see no need to change.
Only just beginning to pick up info about the European Union, it probably wont matter how you all feel about licencing if they decide in the future you need to travel down that path.
Unless I have misunderstood, it also surprises me that UK does not require licencing for Plumbers and Electricians etc.
In the colonies almost all trades require licences to operate. Most certainly plumbers, electricians, motor mechanics, builders, carpenters, concretors.Even Auto Electricians! Just our culture and something we have grown to accept as being normal
Don't feed them, get Rid of them - visit us on www.ridpest.com.au |
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
805 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 08:08:53
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Seems that the Government is looking at tests for Doctors every 5 years.
Also removing some of the powers of self regulation.
Wonder if Doctors had CPD?
Pests are smart - We're smarter
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ABPest
Senior Member
United Kingdom
197 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 09:04:38
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Chronic Patient Death syndrome???
Adrian. |
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nigel
Senior Member
358 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 09:29:39
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| You may think that is funny Adrian, nearly happened to me a few years ago because for nearly two years, doctors with cpd points coming out their ears failed to diagnose a problem I had. |
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ABPest
Senior Member
United Kingdom
197 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 10:22:35
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Ahh! But, I suspect the Docter's did not give you a lethal injection!!! I'm sure we would have noticed 
We know you and a couple of others do not support CPD, I'm just not sure what you hope to achieve by continually knocking it? |
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nigel
Senior Member
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 12:08:14
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| I am sure you would have noticed Adrian because if people like me did not exist to inform managers of council pest control sections that for nearly 30 years, many had been illegally charging for such work as wasp nests for instance, they would never learn that on any cpd course. It would appear cpd failed to help some identify that. |
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
805 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:02:41
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Is it a knock?? Or is it showing that CPD is not a cure all.
But nice to see people higher up have doubts as well.
Pests are smart - We're smarter
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ABPest
Senior Member
United Kingdom
197 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:06:42
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| Nick, nothing is a cure all ...not even licensing! |
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nigel
Senior Member
358 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:13:13
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And for once I would have to agree to some degree but if you are asked to put your money where your mouth is by having to pay for a licence, which if it is proven you are unable to do the work to a required standard or that if you are cheating customers and giving the industry a bad reputation and this meant you lost your livelyhood, then that would, in my opinion, do more good for the industry and customers than imposing something that has no guarentee to do anything.
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blatta
Senior Member
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:18:45
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Has someone said that CPD is a cure all? Bit silly if anyone has.
There will always be crap technicians, there will always be knowledgable technicians who are still crap because they can't be bothered, the question is will CPD improve the overall level of pest control in our industry.
If it does, and at a reasonable cost, then good.
Check Pest Control have had all field staff using the PROMPT scheme for a year now and it seems to be working well. All the staff have achieved the target points levels, some only just and others easily. We have yet to get all the training we do registered though.
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doctors with cpd points coming out their ears failed to diagnose a problem I had.
I could always answer Nigel's point with the 'My Granny smoked 500 cigarettes a day and she lived until she was 120' scenario.
A little bit less of the bickering would be nice
Blatta
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blatta
Senior Member
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:20:21
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| I'm a bit slow in replying!! a couple of posts were put on whilst I was on the phone!! |
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
805 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:26:53
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Well if the B.M.C. loses some of its self regulation etc, it shows that the system is faulty.
Of course partly down to the participants, the other equation is the quality of the trainers.
Say they have had no up to date training for years should a course run by them qualify for CPD, what if they are unaware of new changes?
I agree with Nigel if you had to be licensed and your living depended on you keeping that license and compulsary re testing, Might just Might start this Industry onto a Professional Basis.
Might make suppliers relook towards the professional market not the amateur market.
But I expect you to disagree Adrian as normal.
Pests are smart - We're smarter
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nigel
Senior Member
358 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:41:18
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I could always answer Nigel's point with the 'My Granny smoked 500 cigarettes a day and she lived until she was 120' scenario.
Now my father smoked between 120-200 fags aday lived till he was 72 and yes you guessed it, he died from septicemia after a hip replacement....... |
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nigel
Senior Member
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 13:44:21
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| And maybe, just maybe, Blatta if companies employed technicians who were already licenced rather than someone who was a welder last week, customers just might feel they are employing professionals. |
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
805 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 14:31:43
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 Second, professional regulation needs to sustain the confidence of both the
public and the professions through demonstrable impartiality. Regulators
need to be independent of government, the professionals themselves,
employers, educators and all the other interest groups involved in
healthcare.
� Third, professional regulation should be as much about sustaining,
improving and assuring the professional standards of the overwhelming
majority of health professionals as it is about identifying and addressing
poor practice or bad behaviour.
Change wording to pest controllers.
Rest of document.
http://www.dh.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/14/31/43/04143143.pdf
Pests are smart - We're smarter
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blatta
Senior Member
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 15:49:36
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if companies employed technicians who were already licenced rather than someone who was a welder last week, customers just might feel they are employing professionals.
If companies stopped taking people from other trades and training them as PCO's then where do you propose we do get new staff from?
Incidently, our initial in house training is one month before raw recruits are allowed to do simple jobs by themselves. |
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nigel
Senior Member
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 16:53:33
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Yet is one month enough?
Catching squirrels in the winter is not the same as catching squirrels in the summer for instance.
Nor is a property infested with rats and mice in the summer for the the same reasons as properties are infested in the winter.
Treating wasps nest's in July/August is not the same as treating a wasp nest in October/November.
Yet we are all taught how to just trap squirrels, how to treat rats and mice or wasp nests. |
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blatta
Senior Member
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 17:06:07
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I believe that 1 month is enough to learn the basics to do 'simple' jobs, as I stated. Clearly there is a need for seasonal training and ongoing additional training etc etc etc.
Nigel
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If companies stopped taking people from other trades and training them as PCO's then where do you propose we do get new staff from?
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nigel
Senior Member
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 18:54:07
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Do companies who then launch only basic trained staff loose on to customers, then charge their customers less for the privalage of letting under qualified staff learn the job possibly at the customers expence?
If I took a car to a garage would I be happy to be charged �75 per hour for the apprentice to work on it or the skilled machanic?
As Dusty has pointed out, in a licenced environment, companies would not be allowed to send a welder with a months basic training under his belt to go and do a job without a trained member of staff to oversee them, would companies be more inclined then to pay more for already trained experienced staff to fill the job or have to pay for a whole year or two for someone to shadow a new learner?
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andyb
Senior Member
United Kingdom
242 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 19:33:51
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"Nick I never thought of you as an ignoramus, but now you have brought it to my attention I think you are right"
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