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| andyb |
Posted - 27 Nov 2005 : 22:27:42
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| Matt the Rat |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 23:04:56
The bolt only hits the front part of the brain, causing coma. To kill, you need to 'disrupt' the brain stem (pith) or bleed. Most pigs are stunned with electric, and then bled, but you always have to have a captive in case something goes wrong with the stunner. |
| Dusty |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 22:52:54
Seems gassing is specific to pigs and birds only.
Interesting to note that a bolt through the brain merely stuns. And that pigs need to be bolted before being gassed.
I wonder what shiney arsed public servant drafted that bit of legislation?
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| Fenn Man |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 21:13:43
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Originally posted by NickA
But we should have one piece of legislation not piecemeal bits from different Acts.
Here! Here! Absolutely, Nick! Bloody well said, mate!
As it stands, we have to be our own lawyers and have crystal balls! (Doubly difficult for Helen, I'm given to believe?) It's all a little bit of this law. A pinch of that. Cross refer to That one and then wait for some black uniformed Nazi to turn up and try to win a Test Case against ye for doing it after all!
Trouble is; We push for clarrification? Ye just KNOW what'll happen - in this day and age. In This country! 
I ever Trap a bloody hedgehog in a perfectly correctly set Tunnel Trap? They'll get sh!t from me. Need it too - cos I'll be Eating the Evidence! 
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| NickA |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 19:52:18
Why would you not want to use a tunnel, Fenn jumps on springing to enclose body, tunnel stops target jumping away helps in clean kills.
Use the right tool for the right job.
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| Matt the Rat |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 19:38:17
I think its only those traps exempt from the Spring Traps (approval) Order which do not need a tunnel. You always need something to guide the target onto the right part of the trap anyway. Fenn man has the right idea, the old chicken wire trick is a good un. Once caught 5 mink in 4 days using a pole over a stream, with a Mk6 in the middle (in a recess slot cut with chainsaw) with chicken wire over. |
| NickA |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 19:30:15
The BPCA was going to look at the Zappers once if memory serves me well, but nothing seems to happen.
But we should have one piece of legislation not piecemeal bits from different Acts.
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| nigel |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 17:58:03
Would the Welfare of animals (slaughter or killing) regulations 1995 apply to these zappers.
This regulation lays down how you may stun or electricute animals, have a read and make your own minds up;
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uksi_19950731_en_12.htm#sdiv5 |
| NickA |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 17:28:50
Like a lot of things our Associations let us down.
As we are supposed to destroy rats mice how did humane catch traps come about.
Same as Rentokil CO2 trap who authorised CO2 as a humane killer gas.
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| Fenn Man |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 15:54:21
* Shrugs * Simplest, chicken wire cloche then. No need for any hammer and nails stuff. Purely token. Seen it done outside that way.
Anyway; What about these Zappers? Where's the " Zapper Box Approval Order " ? Who Field Trialed these things? When and where? What regulation is there on voltage and ampage?
Or can I just plug a Monarch into the mains and call it " Humane " these days??? When did all that slip by us? Point, isn't it?
And you're quite right, Dusty. As anyone over sixteen has usually had time to find out; Nothing much hurts quite like electricity! 
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| NickA |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 09:47:50
Well as I read Act, only the common rat/mice traps can be used out of tunnel.
Fenns etc must be used in a tunnel.
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| Dusty |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 05:17:48
Horses for courses Steve. I am considering buying a couple of the zappers, simply because I have a number of clients who go for the humane thingy.
Having a degree in electrical engineering and working as and with an electrician on weekends during my younger days, I copped enough electrical shocks to learn there is nothing painless or humane about electricity. But perceptions are perceptions mate and if my clients think its better and more humane than a blunt guillotine, so be it. Not for me to argue. The service fee will be $100, thank you very Mrs Brown. LOL
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| Fenn Man |
Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 00:10:25
Andy; This is a slightly tedious one - as ye've no doubt researched and found out, mate.
Spring Traps Approval Order states that 'All' Spring Traps need to be 'suitably' tunnelled. However, there's a proviso where rats and mice are concerned. For my sins, I haven't got a copy of the full Order available right now, but I've read and noted it.
Short answer is Yes. Ye can use uncovered Fenn's, Indoors, for rats. Why? Well, because despite stating that they must be covered, even for rats, it then goes on to cough and mumble something about the 'Type of traps commonly used against rats'. Those ye may use, uncovered, indoors.
So, it's another of those as yet untested legal points. Common Sense says a Fenn Mk IV Is 'commonly used against rats' (even though we know they Really meant Snappers  ). But who's really likely to come and find out and then bother to drag ye up before the bench, just to see you CD'd and a new, niggling and worthless point of law established? They're bloody Rats for chrissake. Even our friends and benefactors at the Arsepca have things they'd rather be doing.
If ye still an incy bit nervous? No worries, mate. Chuck a bit of bent chicken wire at them and say that's ye tunnels. It's done all the time 
'Zappers' ? I've seen some extremely dim, dark and bad footage of one actually 'Zapping' a rat.
Would I buy some? Would I b*llocks! If ye can get a rat into one of those, ye can get him into most other traps.
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