New Rodent Control Technology from Sorex
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Topic author: Iain
Subject: New Rodent Control Technology from Sorex My former colleagues from Sorex are getting very excited about an updating of their long-established Neosorexa rat and mouse bait which they are launching in September.
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Posted on: 26 Aug 2006 10:05:26
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By adding some specially-shaped pellets to the cut wheat base, they claim that this encourages 'foraging behaviour' as it adds variety. They have also added subtle olfactory and flavour enhancers. I can't smell any difference, but that apparently is because I'm not a rodent! It seems that what we can smell may be too much for rodents.
The result is a product (Neosorexa Gold Pro) that they claim:
1. Provides faster control
2. Is twice as palatable to rats and mice
3. Helps overcome neophobia in rats
4. Helps overcome behaviourally resistant mouse problems
5. Helps deliver a lethal dose in 1 day (from difenacoum!)
These are pretty heavy claims, I think you'll agree.
Knowing the people involved I haven't the slightest doubt that they wouldn't be making such claims without very solid, scientific backing.
However, claims based on lab and limited field trials can sometimes be overly optimistic - I know, I've been in that situation several times. At the end of the day, it will be down to how the product behaves in the hands of the end users that matters. And that's where you come in.
What are your initial thoughts on this development, based on the launch presentations? (details below)
Once you've used the product - what do you think of the claims?
Let's start a string that will probably last for a few months on how significant this new technology actually is.
Launch details:
Sorex Seminars, featuring this new technology:
Gatwick 5th September
Colchester 6th September
Coventry 7th September
Wigan 8th September (I'll be at this one)
If you want book a place at these free seminars (lunch provided!) call Jen Sampson at 0151 420 7151.
So - hype or a significant advance? - you decide. 
Any questions so far, please post them here.
Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 08 Sep 2006 20:11:58
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The series of launch seminars has now been completed - what did you think, those of you that went?
Personally I thought Adrian Meyer was on top form. What did you think of his thoughts on scent 'trailing'?
In the absence of any new actives for the forseeable future, making the best of the ones we've got through the innovative work Sorex have been involved in has got to be the way to go. Their new product certainly looks interesting.
As an entomologist I was particularly interested to see the work on Abamectin, especially their free flowing powder bait for cockroaches.
Anyone else with any comments?
Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 08 Sep 2006 22:26:26
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Trailing an old technique as Adrian admitted.
But old ways still have relevance today, what was using urine from recent trap success, pheromones.
Pre baiting might make a comeback or could that be monitoring blocks?
Thought most talks good but lets remember Avert been around in States a long time.
Thought the bird proofing was basically the same as last year.
Gold would have been better to have active samples, but at least the seminars where available to every one not like the do up in Leicestershire for the top 10, shame on that supplier.
Working for co-operation ,not division between OUR Associations.
Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 10 Sep 2006 16:32:22
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Update all that effort for 6 people one of which missed the talks but came for the grub, thats property developers for you!!!!
Wonder who is scared of birds?
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Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 10 Sep 2006 18:17:57
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Is it just me - or does anyone else have difficulty understanding what Nick is on about?
Reply author: NickA
Replied on: 10 Sep 2006 19:31:05
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A supplier?manufacturer/importer had a private do on Thursday 6 people attended, one didn't bother to show till evening for the free grub.
That shows respect! Almost more from **** (4) than "guests".
One of said staff has a fear of birds. Iain you could have picked up phone.
But no one from distrubuters invited.
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Reply author: Richard
Replied on: 16 Sep 2006 19:18:59
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Behaviour-led research has been around for years,
Dr Steven Havers, who is probably the uks most knowledeable person on the subject has been working independantly and with Pelgar International for a number of years on behavior led baits,. incorporating shape, size and vairous attractants to both attract and pro-long rodents feeding.
My view, taking into account all I have read about Neosorex Gold, Sorex are just playing catch up with the other more popular baits and just re-launching the same Neosorexa bait with some extra bits in under a new name for a much higher price �64.00 for 25kg bag?.
I know this may seem a harsh comment but its my view.
Of course time may prove me completely wrong and maybe if anyone has enough money to invest in a bag the results will be posted.
Regards
Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 17 Sep 2006 09:29:26
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Richard,
Perhaps we should wait for comments from the field before dismissing this new product as ..."the same Neosorexa bait with some extra bits in"... I agree that Sorex have never been afraid to price high, but their products have stood the test of time, I think even you would agree.
Even at the price you quote, this new form of Neosorexa is significantly cheaper than Eradirat, which is a product that Dr. Havers was involved with at one time, I believe.
Need I say more?
Reply author: Richard
Replied on: 17 Sep 2006 21:53:27
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Yes, your right Ian, Steve was involved in Rodent bait attractants way back then nearly 10 years ago. As I remember he was leading the way then as well as now.
Eradirat was poo pooed by many in the UK back then but i can assure you it is now a major selling product in Europe, Amercia and the middle and far East and I understand set to float on the stock market soon.
It shows Steves Diversity and willingness to look at new products and new companies, rather that so called independent consultants that work for manufacturers and recommend products from only one supplier.
Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 18 Sep 2006 09:47:17
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I'll pass your comments on.
Reply author: Gamekeeper
Replied on: 18 Sep 2006 09:56:59
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Seminar was very good. It was the rodents that I was there for - never get cockroaches where I am in Suffolk. We are too rural for birds to be a serious problem apart from all the winging old dears in Aldeburgh ! Bring on the whole grain version of Gold Pro and I will trial some
Fid Def
Reply author: Jonathan Peck
Replied on: 18 Sep 2006 14:49:47
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Richard
Since Dr Havers is your technical adviser at Essex, it is understandable that you want to promote his reputation.
However, there are a number of people whose reputation in the study of rodent behaviour, rightly or wrongly, must be considered much better than Dr Havers. I refer to Adrian Meyer, Alan Buckle, Roger Quy, Alan MacNicoll, Rob Smith and David Macdonald. There are also a number of people working for Sorex and Rentokil as well as in universities who have some pretty impressive expertise.
With regard to Eradirat, we have spoken at length to the company now selling the product. They tell us that the reason for its initial failure as a product was down to the claims that were being made for it by the people initially marketing it.
Since they have employed Alan Buckle to help them technically, they have seen an increase in sales in some European countries, although it is still an expensive alternative rodenticide.
Best wishes
Jonathan Peck
Killgerm Group
Reply author: Iain
Replied on: 19 Sep 2006 08:35:28
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Thank you for your contributions, gentlemen.
That 'behaviour-led research' is not new was one of the key points made by Adrian Meyer during his presentation at these Seminars. In fact he referred to work carried out by Oxford scientists Chitty and Southern - in the 1930s! It would appear that in the days before anti-coagulants, pest controllers had to use 'field craft' a lot more than is happens now - perhaps to our detriment.
For those that missed the Sorex Seminars, Adrian will be repeating and building on his excellent presentation in the new course he has developed for us:
"Successful Rodent Control in the Modern Environment"
Details on this course and the dates and venues are to be found elsewhere on this sponsored Forum.
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