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Ultrasonic Devices - Do They Work? - A Challenge!

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Topic author: Boxing Hare
Subject: Ultrasonic Devices - Do They Work? - A Challenge!
Posted on: 04 Sep 2006 10:29:31
Message:

I may be going over old ground, but I hope this topic will raise a number of thoughts and questions. It is a challenge to all suppliers of Ultrasonic Pest Repellers.

Everywhere I look now, I see adverts for �Ultrasonic Pest Controllers.� You see them in magazines, on Ebay, in hardware stores and even on the TV auction / sale sites.

If these items are so good and work so well, why aren�t pest controllers using them?

I�ve been reading with interest the topic with regards to controlling rats in chicken sheds. Aren�t we �pesties� missing something?
If the ultrasonic devices work � and the suppliers and sellers of these devices make astonishing claims that they do � then wouldn�t it be so easy to set up a �ring� of these devices around the base of a chicken shed, with additional units in the sheds themselves. The �noise� would thus disturb the rodents so much, they would all leave the chicken shed � wouldn�t they? Sounds so simple.
Think of all of the poison you�d save. The running costs would be almost zero. No more call-out charges for �pesties.� The answer appears to be so obvious.
What are we missing?

And as for the housing market, wouldn�t all �New Build� home developers install these units as standard in their new homes? One installed in the loft would repel all wasps and cluster flies and a number of alternative units upstairs and down would ensure the home was never infested with rodents, cockroaches or fleas ever again, regardless of how filthy they were.

And then of course commercial kitchens, warehouses, pubs, hotels, etc.
You could leave as much debris, rubbish and filth about and the rodents, cockroaches and everything else would simply �run� away (don�t know where too though if the whole country had them installed!) and all commercial and retail premises would be pest free � forever, without the need for poisons and insecticides polluting the environment.

So what are we missing?

Do these devices really work and the pest control industry is in denial, potentially seeing the end of our business?

Or could it be that they don�t work?

If they don�t work, would the sale of such devices contravene the Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994 � primarily that the goods are not �fit for purpose�?

If these items don�t work � then how come they are being sold so openly?

As an engineer originally by training and relatively new to this business, I like to think I have an 'open mind' and I am always open to new ideas and developments and will openly listen to advice � good or bad � and happily try out a wide range of means and methods to control pests, learning as I go. So I wouldn't instantly 'dismiss' these 'new fangled gadgets' like others who've been in the business for years might, but instead review them with interest.

So they main point of this topic is to issue a challenge to any manufacturer or supplier of these items.

If these Ultrasonic Pest Controllers are so good, work so well, then would anyone be willing to supply a large number on a genuine �field trial� in an application such as a commercial chicken shed, to prove once and for all whether these items work?

If they do, then Britain will be a �cleaner� place to live and we will be able eliminate pests once and for all from our shores (although god knows where all the rodents and bugs will go to live?!)

If they don�t work � then when is someone in authority � even may I be so bold as to say, someone senior from the NPTA or BPCA - going to raise this issue with a senior politician, to bring power to bear down on companies selling such items as being �fraudulent� and thus contravening a whole cost of sales related acts.

So come on all you suppliers of Ultrasonic devices � Is anyone brave enough to prove their units actually work, take the challenge and rid a poultry unit of all its rats, by the use of Ultrasonic devices?

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Reply author: Gamekeeper
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 11:14:01
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I think most of us know these things don't work. My understanding on it was that the first manufacturer of these devices WAS taken to court and prosecuted because the product was proven to be completely ineffective. Under what law they were prosecuted under, I don't know. Perhaps someone's attention needs to be drawn to the suppliers of the gadgets to chase after them with some more court cases. Either way the general public need to be made aware that they are wasting their money if they buy this product

Fid Def


Reply author: blatta
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 11:56:59
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I have had some contact with this company before and even had some positive results feeding back from a 'reputable' Pest Control company.
http://www.greenshield.com/
http://www.greenshield.com/greenshield_faqs.pdf
We did not trial the system in the end. Anyone else tried them?
Their product is not an Ultrasonic System but uses changes in the electromagnetic field in wiring in the property.

Blatta


Reply author: nigel
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 13:42:18
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Same effect as switching your lights on and off!!!!!

Take a look here;
http://freepatentsonline.com/6400995.html


Reply author: Bob Staines
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 14:15:59
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when i was at bigR i was taught in no uncertain terms...these things dont work! Rento had apparently done independent testing and the technical data they unearthed was that it was a load of bollox.
now, however, they have put their name on one.....what does this mean?
it could mean nothing as money is and has always been rentos main objective, a bit like michael owen endorsing some crappy football game.
if they did work surely the LAs would use them.


Reply author: Lawrie
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 14:50:21
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As MD of Green Shield, we import and distribute a solely electromagnetic device for which we have lab tests (in the UK and US) as well as reference sites. I agree that ultrasonic devices are not effective, and we will not entertain selling them.

You will see adverts for ultrasonic pest controllers in many places as there is a ready market for the unknowing, and they are usually cheap enough to be bought and discarded when they don�t work without worrying about the cost. This is to say nothing about some units that exceed the maximum power output allowed by the European Union for ultrasound and which will be damaging hearing.

You should also know that there is a directive from the Advertising Standards Agency regarding the advertising of these products, what may or may not be claimed, but many resellers appear to pay no attention to it, and are happy to make grandiose claims without substantiation, and pay the consequences (if there are any) later. We however have embarked on a process of selling effective devices only, claiming only what we can substantiate, and have invested in R&D; to further refine the devices. I should point out that over 4 million of the domestic units have been sold in the States, with very few returns.

We looked at the devices being made in China, and spoke with manufacturers over there, but they are not at all interested in whether the devices work or lab testing, only what new gimmick can be added to make more sales and we despise such blatant cynicism.

Why aren�t pest controllers using them? Well, on the contrary we do have a number of pest control companies using and reselling them. We have sold the units into hotels, restaurants, coffee bars, schools, and theatres, all with great success. We sell domestic and commercial versions, but the commercial versions are only sold after a proper survey and testing of the reach of the field, and always come on a 30-day trial period to ensure they are positioned properly. The domestic versions are sold with a 60-day money back guarantee, as we cannot do a survey and there are some circumstances where the wiring and layout of the building may not be suitable. We sell the domestic version to pest control companies at a greatly discounted price to sell on to the public as further protection for them after a visit and also as an additional profit stream.

Regarding your point about a chicken farm, we have done an informal trial with our units on a turkey farm under the auspices of an independent biologist and it did reduce the incidence of rats, according to the workers there and the simple sandtrap measurements made.

As for the new build housing, we have not been in contact with many builders, but this is a good idea.

There is a lot of confusion about what works and doesn�t, and it is easy to say you tried it and it didn�t work, therefore nothing works. We believe we have a device and a protocol that when properly deployed works well. Those people selling magic bullets that solve all problems will only shoot themselves in the foot, unfortunately harming all of us in the pest control industry.

We have only tested our units with rodents and can make no claims about other pests, although we have anecdotal evidence about our units and other pests. This is not good enough to shout from the rooftops about how effective the units are, and as a professional company we would not do so, so for the time being, they are to prevent rodents only.

Regarding the point about leaving debris around, we have found that our devices are only another weapon in the fight against rodents, and normal housekeeping procedures must still be adhered to. Our devices disturb the rodents so that their feeding (and breeding) behaviours are affected, and after a period of time, they leave. Rather like your entering a haunted house � you wouldn�t like it but if the reason for being there was strong enough, you would put up with it for a time. Similarly, it is necessary to ensure that attractants for rodents are reduced, and also access points are blocked up. As we say, the device will not stop the inquisitive rodent, but will stop them nesting and re-infesting.

We have been elected members of the British Pest Control Association, and are keen to work with pest controllers as partners and to some extent have been successful. We are the only supplier of these devices to have ever been elected to the BPCA, and take our membership seriously. Many in the pest control industry (including the market leaders) are very conservative, but with the increasing European legislation against poisons, it is time to use fresh eyes and see us not as a threat, only as another arrow in the quiver.

Many of the devices on the market either do not work or work poorly � rodents can be habituated to the signal being given off in other devices but tests show that no habituation occurs in our devices. Our independent UK pilot study showed that the eating behaviour of a rodent was affected very clearly, and if you care to contact me directly, I can send you some information.

Regarding your challenge about a genuine �field trial�, we are currently looking for a site that is accessible to the independent biologist, who lives near Basingstoke, as this is the next step after the pilot study. If you have a site down there, please get in touch.

I would be delighted to help rid Britain of rodents and live in a cleaner world, and as for your question of where will they all go, as with all ecological niches, when the niche shrinks, so does the population.

Lawrie Siteman, MD Green Shield. 0800 0 811 817


Reply author: Bigbully
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 14:50:50
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Some LAs do use them - to stop hoodies congregating outside post offices and such. Others use Frank Sinatra tapes - seems to work for some!

Boxing Hare - if they worked against rats in the chicken sheds just imagine the impact on the chickens!!


Reply author: Bigbully
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 14:53:11
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PS the Hoody deterring device is called The Mosquito!


Reply author: vermincontrol
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 16:13:51
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Lawrie
I am glad to read your reply to the thread.
i for one am sceptical about such devices but saying that i have been trying to find a supplier that can supply me at the right price so that i can test them wherever possible, i am often being asked for such devices but as upto now have not found anywhere to purchase them from a reputable company that knows what they are talking about.
i used to sell via a shop i had some electronic rodent repellers, they seemed to work for a while, but that could of been coincidence, i am often asked about electronic repllers as the customers do not want to meet a dead rodent in the morning on their front doorstep.
if you have any details that can be sent to me i may well be interested in the items mentioned. view my web page for details of how to contact me (but please not by phone i am too busy)


Steve
It Has 2 Be Done Pest Control
www.ithas2bedone.co.uk


Reply author: Lawrie
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 16:38:42
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Steve, thanks for commenting; I have asked Tom Flinn, my sales manager, to email you some information.

Regarding Nigel's comment on the patent being the same as switching the lights on and off, it is of course more complicated than that, and involves something called the flyback effect to send the signal back through the mains. In addition, the period of oscillation is tuned to be most annoying to the rodents, and our device is still under patent, not an expired one. We hope our research will improve the efficiency and reach of the device even further.

Lawrie Siteman
Green Shield Ltd
www.greenshield.com
0800 0 811 817


Reply author: Gamekeeper
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 16:42:51
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Yeah, right Big Bully, a lot of chicken sheds play music to encourage the chickens to relax and lay more eggs. I hate to think of the effect these rodent repellers would have

Fid Def


Reply author: nigel
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 17:32:56
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In the interest of science, I have just carried out a basic, taught in the third year at secondary school physics experiement to see if the electromagnetic field in a live cable can cause a change to a pin floating on water (crude form of compass).
For this experiment a 1Kw kettle was used to increase the current in the cable (plus provide a cup of tea once I had finished), the pin was left to find North/South from the natural magnetic field of the earth, the electric cable was then placed across the float tank (the Mrs Pirex dish) at 90 degrees to the pin. No change to the magnetic field was noticed from the cables.
The power source (i.e the kettle) was switched on causing a power surge along the cable, the cable was held 25mm directly above the floating pin and no deviation of the direction of the pin was noticed.
The possition of the cable was moved (by this time the teabag was in the cup) and still no deviation was observed.
In order to be sure that a duff pin was not being used in this experiment a magnet (taken off the fridge) was moved towards the pin untill a definate movement of the pin was noticed, this movement occured at approx 60mm.
Conclussion of the experiment;
1/ An electric cable through which 1Kw of electricity is passing produces less electromagnetic energy than the earths own electromagnetic field.
2/ A fridge magnet producess a far greater magnetic field than 240 volts on a local area and is also greater than the earths own magnetic field for the same localized area.
3/ I make a great cup of tea.


Reply author: Bob Staines
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 17:45:54
Message:

sounds interesting Lawrie. i would be interested in testing for you with results being posted on forum. you can email me through www.pulsepestcontrol


Reply author: Bob Staines
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 17:47:07
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soz....... thats .co.uk


Reply author: Bob Staines
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 17:53:32
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www.pulsepestcontrol.co.uk


Reply author: Lawrie
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 18:30:58
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Jason (Bob Staines) - thanks for the offer, are you located near Basingstoke? This field trial needs to be properly controlled and in order to get maximum benefit, an independent scientist is needed. I am sure you are aware of Dr Steven Havers, who has been doing the testing for us in the UK, and it is he who has asked for a location near to his base so that he can regularly visit to see activity on sand traps, etc.

Nigel, in your experiment, isn't the voltage alternating at 50 cycles, and therefore doesn't the magnetic field reverse itself 50 times a second? If so, it would not overcome the resistance of the water in the 1/50th of a second that it had to exert a force on the pin. If you use a gaussmeter as we do you can detect the magnetic field clearly enough.

If you would like some light reading in the form of a scientific article on possible effects of varying magnetic fields on the brain cells of rats, please let me know and I will forward it to you. I agree with you that the field strength is very small, but there is an effect on the behaviour of the rodent, and I would love to find out why.

Lawrie Siteman
Green Shield Ltd
www.greenshield.com


Reply author: nigel
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 19:22:01
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I did also try it with a DC voltage although agreed at a lower voltage, nothing.

Question; is it the electromagnetic pulse or the frequency of that pulse that affects the brain of the rats?


Reply author: Lawrie
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 20:31:19
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It is very difficult to say; all the surveys report on the effect, and don't speculate on the reason for it. There simply is not enough data to create a theory yet. However, I would surmise that it is the rapidly changing field that causes the release of stressful chemicals in the rodent brain.

Lawrie Siteman
Green Shield Ltd
www.greenshield.com
0800 0 811 817


Reply author: nigel
Replied on: 04 Sep 2006 20:50:41
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An earlier thread I started some time back was about infrasound and had anyone looked in to using it as a rodent repeler. We already know that animals react to infrasound, at about 18Hz it is possible to cause the human eye to vibrate and cause hallucinations, it is also consider to be one possible cause of sick building syndrome.
If the pulse has a frequency of 20Hz or below this would put it in the infrasound range, given that the domestic system is already as low as 50Hz, may be worth looking at.


Reply author: Lawrie
Replied on: 05 Sep 2006 09:32:53
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If you saw Men in White on Sunday you would have seen them developing an infrasound generator to scare visitors to a haunted house, but it took up a lot of space. We looked at it briefly as a pigeon scarer but it is a) impossible to miniaturise and b) doesnt carry very far.


Lawrie Siteman
Green Shield Ltd
www.greenshield.com
0800 0 811 817


Reply author: Boxing Hare
Replied on: 05 Sep 2006 13:25:48
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Had hoped this topic may get people going, but hadn't expected potentially such a good response.

If a trial could be arranged, that would be brilliant and would be almost a case of 'put up or shut up.'

As mentioned, I like to keep an open mind on all things, and assumed there had to be some background to the whole 'Ultrasonic' theory, but was simply put off the overall negative press and also though the thought that all animals adapt to their environment.

People who live near railway lines and airports become unaware of the noise, whilst visting friends comment on the 'racket.' and how do they live with it.

Couldn't rodents also become 'accustomed' to such distruption caused by the 'pulse' of a magnetic change and return or remain in the locality. Just a thought.

A question for Lawrie, who has responded so well and I thank you for that;
I understand (rightly or wrongly) that rodents have a crude form of echo location and can communicate via ultrasonics. Do you believe that it is this facility in the rodent yours (an I assume the other 'ultrasonic devices on the market) affect and thus exploit?

I think this is a great subject and is one which I'm surprised hasn't (or doesn't appear to a new layman) to have been fully investigated. (Maybe wrong).

Very interesting topic and as Gamekeeper and Big Bully point out, would the 'pulse' affect other animals, such as chickens?

Look forward to further input from all.


Reply author: Lawrie
Replied on: 05 Sep 2006 14:05:55
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At the risk of putting the cat amongst the pigeons, if we do a trial and prove it works, will you use them?

Getting used to the stimulus, whether it is sound or magnetic fields, is termed habituation by biologists. Testing has to be long enough to see if habituation occurs. In rodents, it appears to occur within a couple of days, which is why our lab trials always continue for at least 10 days with the unit on. The graph we show pest controllers illustrates this off-on-off cycle nicely.

The problem with ultrasonics is, as I see it, threefold: i) the distance that the sound travels is limited and obstructed easily by furniture and walls; ii) at the power levels it is being used, it probably deafens the mice, and this will interfere with their communication, but once deafened, they will continue to frequent the area if there is a food attractant present, and iii) I can find no research to show their working under lab-controlled conditions; Dr Havers has tested some ultrasound units and found them ineffective. You do need to be careful, as there 'may' be a unit out there that has had proper testing and research and works when deployed in a certain way. We have never found it though.

But Boxing Hare, you need to be clear that our units are not ultrasonic ones.

I did read about male mice 'singing' and baby mice calling to their parents with high-pitched squeaks, and it is possible that this communication could be interfered with, but it would need research into the frequencies that the mice are using so that an ultrasonic device could properly drown it out. I do not think the manufacturers in China have bothered with that, but I may be wrong; and without matching the frequency, it would be like us having a conversation while music was playing in the background; our (and rodents') brains are good enough to separate the message from the background noise.

With regard to affecting other species, no-one from over 4 million domestic sales has said anything was affected by the device, and we advise that the electromagnetic field our unit generates affects only rodents, but we don't recommend using the domestic version if there are rodent pets such as gerbils, hamsters, etc. in the house. It may be that the physiology of non-rodents is substantially different, or the fact that other animals keep further away from the walls where the field is present reduce the likely effect.

Anyway, many thanks to Boxing Hare for raising the issue, and I hope my little essay has helped everyone realise that the two effects (ultrasonic and electromagnetic) are complex and different, and that we are confident our patented Green Shield devices work when properly deployed in most cases. If anyone has a potential customer site with perennial rodent problems, please get in touch and we can see if a trial will benefit them.





Lawrie Siteman
Green Shield Ltd
www.greenshield.com
0800 0 811 817


Reply author: nigel
Replied on: 05 Sep 2006 20:38:54
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As to using them? Not personally.
I would still rely on giving the customers the same advice your very own website already gives, if you do not want rats, stop feeding them and make sure your property is well maintained so the little blitters can not get in in the first place. With just those two bits of advice you can sort out the majority of rat problems.
But if proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they geniunely "do what they say on the tin", I would have no problems reccommending them.


Reply author: Dusty
Replied on: 05 Sep 2006 23:25:22
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For an electro magnetic device to create a magnetic field, it still requires a few turns of wire over a soft iron core to provide an induced voltage.
To be honest, I dont see how a couple of strands of copper wire without the iron core are able to set up a magnetic field, let alone one that rodents are distressed by.

Don't feed them, get Rid of them


Reply author: Gamekeeper
Replied on: 11 Sep 2006 14:35:23
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"Ultrasonic Devices - Do They Work? - A Challenge!". Well chaps, they must do because they are sponsoring this site !!!

Fid Def


Reply author: The Spotlight Kid
Replied on: 11 Sep 2006 21:36:15
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can rats hear ultrasonic ????


Reply author: MickeyMan
Replied on: 20 Sep 2006 08:33:57
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In my experience the majority of customers interested in these devices are those who merely want to cut costs and not address the real issues in their business, such as effective cleaning, proofing etc.

IMHO it's unlikely that most will address these issues and infestations within their premises will go unchecked. In the long run it's good news for pesties, as they will undoubtedly get a large amount of disgruntled customers coming back cap in hand.


Reply author: Fed Up
Replied on: 08 Oct 2006 12:54:53
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Hello,

Ok, let me tell you that ultrasonic and electromagnetic devices do not work. or at least ,they do not work in my house.
Just found baby mice nest behind one of my skirting board, and less than a meter away, I have a lentex Pest X device plugged in. And as i am typing, I can here gnawing ,still behind the same skirting board.
I have two Lentex PestX, priced �37.50 (incl. Vat, though) plugged in my top floor, they are supposed to cover a 4 bedroom house.
So, do they work ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If the gentleman from Greenshield want to try their electromagnetic devices, which I supposed are the same as Lentex, well, I have the perfect site for that. ten terraced houses, all connected and infested with mice, all 3-4 bedroom, next to a canal , with an abandonned small building site at the back, and a nearly derelict huge building in front, with huge garbage bins too from the council estate on the side.
Up to the challenge to see if all ten house can be mice free just with the electromagnetic devices ??


Why do pests always look cute in cartoons ???


Reply author: pestguard1
Replied on: 08 Oct 2006 13:14:48
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I seem to remember reading a scientific article report in Pest Control News some time back as to the use of these ultrasonic devices ..and there claims were in-conclusive, and it all depended on the environment they were being used in ....maybe someone has a back copy of the said article ..........or get in touch with Killgerm for one.
I have come across customers who have purchased in excess of 50 ultra sonic mole scarers............and non work for them .........."what a total waste of money they say" ..........I said "why buy so many if they dont work "......."well we might just get one that does work ".............the mind boggles at some folk...........
yet I have customers who sware by them...........so different conditions may work for some people.

Brian


Reply author: vermincontrol
Replied on: 08 Oct 2006 17:12:33
Message:

I have come accross the same regarding moles.

Steve
It Has 2 Be Done Pest Control
www.ithas2bedone.co.uk


Reply author: Lawrie
Replied on: 08 Oct 2006 22:20:00
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Responding to 'Fed Up's' comments, I have found that the common misconception by people who have bought so-called electromagnetic devices is that when they don't work, it proves to them that the whole idea of electromagnetic devices to repel rodents is invalid, and all devices won't work. It would be like my saying that if you put poison down in a location, and the infestation is still there on your return, all poisons must be useless. The variables are so great, with the layout of the building, the attractants, the wiring, and the rodent behaviour, even before you get to the point of discussing what the difference is between the various devices. Plus of course, the confusion between ultrasonic and electromagnetic devices. I have said before in this forum that I do not believe that ultrasonics work, and more due to the physics of ultrasound propagation than anything else. In addition, the manufacturers in China are not interested in whether something works, only whether it is a gimmick enough to sell in its thousands. And the distributors in this country and elsewhere are happy to play along. If you try to find a single manufacturer or distributor doing as much research into the effect as we are, I will be extremely surprised. Which means that we have a method of deploying the commercial devices which requires attention to detail, and we give a 30 day trial to ensure that it works. For the domestic units, the profit margin is not enough to allow inspections prior to sale, so we offer a 60 day money back guarantee, in case the wiring is not up to it, or the deployment is not done according to the instructions and the customer isn't happy. But an eminent pest biologist has done the studies and this is the first time that he says he has seen an effect in the lab. And he has done tests on ultrasonic devices in the past without success. You are quite welcome to talk to him, I will give you his details if you contact me offline.
With regard to 'Fed Up's' comment that our units are the same as Lentek, I can tell him positively that our units are completely different; we have several patents on our devices to prevent others copying their function; as for his request to try our units on his difficult location, I invite him to send his contact details to us and we will see if we can arrange something; he can either call on 0800 0 811 817 or email [email protected] and chat through the issue.
But like we say to all our customers, these devices are an additional weapon in the armoury in the war against rodents, not a replacement for them. You still have to have sound pest control principles in place.

Lawrie Siteman
Green Shield Ltd
www.greenshield.com
0800 0 811 817


Reply author: Dusty
Replied on: 08 Oct 2006 23:58:11
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Hare, first year psychology students can confirm your theory on rats becoming accustomed to the ultrasonics.It does happen, and rats being very adaptable, it happens quickly. If you read the blurb that comes with many of these products and look at the section re pets, it will reassure you that the pet will become used to the sound/frequencey.
Perhaps if the units were designed to randomly alter the output frequency throughout the relevant spectrum, preventing the rats becoming accustomed to the unit, it might have a chance of being as useful as claimed.
Be reassured, you wont be out of a job for a while yet.

Don't feed them, get Rid of them


Reply author: Fed Up
Replied on: 09 Oct 2006 13:05:34
Message:

Hello,

Oh, I was not talking about just the ultrasonic devices. i was talking about the Electro-magnetic & ultrasonic devices which are extremely expensive. Again, I bought two from Lentex, and I thought that Lentex with their PestX and pestx Deluxe (priced sometimes at �57.00 odd pounds) were the state of the art when it comes to rodent repellers, because when you google ''electromagnetic rodent repellers'', they always come top of the search and they know very well how to sell their stuff and they also say that they are the only ones on the market who allow their devices to be tested indenpendantly and the devices work and it is why they offer 45 days no quibble money back guarantee. Therefore, it makes them a popular company.
Unfortunately, if you are like me, and there are millions of others who realise that they do not work, you do not send them back because psychologically, it makes you feel better that they are there. silly, I know, but it is the truth. And even sillier, you go out and buy and extra one, just in case two were not enough.
Oh, yes, and I checked by the way, and PestX are manufactured in China, with their patent pending.
Maybe it does work for some, but now, I believe it is psychological. When your electromagnetic (& ultrasonic) devices are plugged in, you relax and you actually stop looking for sign of rodent activities. Beleive me. And if by chance, you happen to see one passing through your house, you go back to the little leaflet you got with the plug, and read something like this '' you may see one mouse or rat (or whatever pest) but rest assured they will not nest nor stay, as they believe they are in an hostile environment''... well, if they (the mice or rats) thought that they were in an hostile environment, they would not have ventured so far, they are more clever than this.
And why did they then nest in my house ..

Honestly, I do not know about the devices from Greenshield and I thank you Mr Lawrie to accept to see if they will be of some use in my area.
Here is the thread I started when I was looking for advice.
http://www.pestcontrolportal.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=645

You will see that I am particular about leaving food stuff out and that I mop my kitchen floor if not every night, mostly every night and now, i bleach it too and that we blocked every point of entry. And upstairs, there is no food being allowed, so, why would the mice stay upstairs ?
In the room I have a Lentex Pest X plugged in (the electromagnetic & ultrasonic one) I still find mice droppings. And i have two of these plugged at opposite sides on the first floor. they still come.
Anyway , I am addressing the problem to my Housing Association and dh is going to the Health & Environment office this afternoon.
Mice are cute in fiels, but when I find mice droppings on the bed of my special needs child, believe me I freak out and I become quite sceptical about the ability of the electromagnetic devices.
But again, as I said before, to be fair, they may not just work in my house, for some reason. Because a friend of mine has a tiny weeny studio, I lent her a PestX and the same day, they vanished she said ... I don't know...
But for sure, I will email you my details..

thanks to everyone...

Why do pests always look cute in cartoons ???


Reply author: Fed Up
Replied on: 09 Oct 2006 13:12:14
Message:

I do apologize,I did not imply that Lentex are the same as Greenshield by the way. Well, ok, I did a bit, but this is because I never knew about Greenshield until i discovered this forum. I only knew about Lentex because you see their name everywhere,in every pest control shop (incidentally, not here). But you are right, because Lentex did not work i assume that none of them will work. I would love to be proved wrong , because either the mice are leaving or it will be me. And I have this big feeling it will be me (no joke, I am dead scared of mice and spiders )

Why do pests always look cute in cartoons ???


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