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JOHN CHALLINOR
Starting Member
United Kingdom
3 Posts |
 Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 08:55:25
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OUR ESTATE STAFF ARE PROPOSING USING TALUNEX (PELLET FORM APPLIED VIA AN APPLICATOR)TO ERADICATE MOLES ON 1 OF OUR ESTATES. HOWEVER THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO WHAT RESPIRATORY PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (RPE)THEY SHOULD USE. TALUNEX AS YOU KNOW, IS A DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE IN PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES INTO CONTACT WITH WATER. DO ANY OF YOU USE (RPE)AND IF SO WHAT TYPE. IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THE STAFF USE AIR FED RESPIRATORS, SOMETHING OF WHICH I FEEL A TAD OTT GIVEN THAT THE SUBSTANCE IS APPLIED VIA THE APPLICATOR.
ANY COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS WOULD BE MOST WELCOME.
THANKS
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Helen
Moderator
United Kingdom
69 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 11:12:56
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John
Please Note that the Label text states under legal requirements:
"operators must wear suitable protective clothing (coveralls, suitable protective gloves and suitable respiratory protective equipment when opening container, handling and placing the pellets" ie. full face respirator with appropriate gas filter cartridge (which also meets P3 standard for particulates) or RPE offering equivalent."
However, engineering controls may replace personal protective equipment if a COSHH assessment shows they provide an equal or higher standard of protection.
Please contact me directly. Helen Luxan(UK)Ltd
Helen
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Dog-rat
Member
United Kingdom
71 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 15:36:52
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If you have to ask you should NOT be using it !!!!
As it would follow through that you have not been trained in its use 
PS;- It does not work that well, try to get A MOLE CATCHER.
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Jonathan Peck
Junior Member
United Kingdom
51 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 19:02:35
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I agree totally with the sentiments behind Dog-rat's response. This is a serious product stewardship issue.
John Challinor's posting indicated that an illegal act was about to take place, in that the use of a pesticide without being adequately trained and competent is an offence. Anyone properly trained and competent would know the answer since PPE is a fundamental part of any training, especially with aluminium phosphide.
Luxan's answer is surprising since it appears to give support to the use of the product by Mr Challinor's staff. A better answer would have been to point out that the use of aluminium phosphide by untrained people is a complete no-no - as Dog-rat did.
I hope that this was not a "planted question" to see if the industry will give help to unqualified people. If it was, please understand that we take product stewardship very seriously.
Best wishes
Jonathan Peck
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
700 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 08:03:59
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Luxans response was professional, email for help.
Better than washing dirty clothes in public. John may/may not be trained as a health and safety man , but one of his staff might be.
But thats like someone giving advice about moths on tapestry because they have passed RSPH. Wrong advice given by that persons staff.?
Pests are smart - We're smarter |
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JOHN CHALLINOR
Starting Member
United Kingdom
3 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 08:12:56
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DOG-RAT, J.PECK I AS A H&S; ADVISOR HAVE NOT HAD SPECIFIC TRAINING IN THE USE OF TALUNEX AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE EVENTUAL USERS OF THE SUBSTANCE AND THEIR SUPERVISORS IF WE AUTHORISE THE USE OF THE SUBSTANCE AFTER UNDERTAKING A COSHH RISK ASSESSMENT. PART OF THAT RISK ASSESSMENT IS TO IDENTIFY IF RPE IS REQUIRED AND IF SO, WHAT TYPE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAY ACTUALLY USE THE SUBSTANCE SO RATHER THAN YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY I WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF YOU WOULD REPLY WITH THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION 'WHAT TYPE OF RESPIRATORY PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT DO YOU USE'AND IF YOU COULD INDICATE TO ME WHAT FILTER CARTRIDGE YOU USE. THIS WOULD ASSIST ME GREATLY IN MAKING A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE USE THE SUBSTANCE OR INDEED WE LOOK FOR A SAFER ALTERNATIVE.
MANY THANKS |
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Paul W
Junior Member
United Kingdom
27 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 14:22:47
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| Out of interest where is the mole problem on the estate? Lawns or fields? Near footpaths? Trapping using barrel or scissor traps would be a much safer if slightly more labour intensive method of removing the moles concerned.There is also the bonus of knowing that the moles are actually dead,gassing is seen by many as a quick fix but can only be used in certain weather conditions.Trapping can be done come rain or shine.I personally will not use gas due to the risks involved,i am trained in it's use but it's not a risk i'm willing to take just to get rid of a few moles when a number of well sited traps will do the job perfectly well.I would suggest that you contact a local pest control company who can trap the moles,or if you have staff that are trained in trapping moles then use them. |
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mowdiwarp
Starting Member
9 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 22:30:09
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| Mr Challinor , What problems have arisen as a result of the resident mole population , in this situation ? |
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Bob Staines
Senior Member
United Kingdom
129 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2006 : 08:23:01
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Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 22:30:09
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Mr Challinor , What problems have arisen as a result of the resident mole population , in this situation
err mole hills everywhere for a start??? |
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Gamekeeper
Senior Member
United Kingdom
151 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2006 : 09:17:54
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Moldiwarp - where do you live ? I thought "moleywarp" was a Suffolk expression for molecatcher ?
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mowdiwarp
Starting Member
9 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2006 : 20:11:55
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| Gentlemen , no disrespect , but why would you feel it necessary to respond in such a fashion , when not addressed ? |
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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
382 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2006 : 20:53:57
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I would have thought that posting on a forum is addressing comments to one and all. We accept that we could receive a variety of replies in response, not all of which may please us.
I see no harm in being concerned about the potential danger of unqualified and/or inexperienced use of product.
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mowdiwarp
Starting Member
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Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 14:00:27
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| You misunderstand , my previous comment was directed at those who made a remark , after i posed my initial question . |
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JOHN CHALLINOR
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 08:14:48
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I thought this was a forum for professional people who have a genuine interest in the use of pesticides and assisting others, as regards some of you, I was obviously wrong. Please, can anybody give me an answer to my previous postings on the matter of type of RPE worn? The moles are affecting the lawns and fields.
Many thanks
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Iain
Moderator
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 08:33:13
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John,
You were given the label instructions on the PPE to be used above, by the manufacturer. I repeat it below:
"operators must wear suitable protective clothing (coveralls, suitable protective gloves and suitable respiratory protective equipment when opening container, handling and placing the pellets" ie. full face respirator with appropriate gas filter cartridge (which also meets P3 standard for particulates) or RPE offering equivalent."
If you feel that this needs clarification, then the necessity for suitable training is further underlined.
Like several of the professional respondents above, I would also suggest that you bring in a fully trained and experienced pest controller, who would then be in a position to confirm which control method is most suitable. That may - or may not be - aluminium phoshide.
I applaud your efforts in carrying out a form of Risk Assessment, but this is much better carried out by someone with the appropriate experience. |
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Bob Staines
Senior Member
United Kingdom
129 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 08:35:21
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| mowdi you sound about 100 years old, or just a miserable git! |
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Paul W
Junior Member
United Kingdom
27 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 09:08:51
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quote:
Originally posted by JOHN CHALLINOR
I thought this was a forum for professional people who have a genuine interest in the use of pesticides and assisting others, as regards some of you, I was obviously wrong. Please, can anybody give me an answer to my previous postings on the matter of type of RPE worn? The moles are affecting the lawns and fields.
Many thanks
With all due respect john,the use of gas to kill moles is not all that effective and bloody dangerous to not only the user but also pets,non target species,etc.Being heavier than air it can linger in hollows,seep into damaged pipework and enter houses if used near houses(lawns) for quite some time! Please reconsider it's use by the estate staff,the responses you recieved are from trained operatives. Note none have recommened it's use!! Perhaps that tells you something about the product,the dangers involved,and the fact it's not that effective! I commend you for seeking advice on the use of it but get in touch with a local professional who can deal with the lil blighters for you. |
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
700 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 19:31:36
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John, the product can be very effective,like most tools of the trade if used CORRECTLY.
Helen at Luxam will give you good advice re its use the same as John Dickson at Rentokil.
I use both traps and gas for moles and will decide which is the correct method after risk assessment.
Funny some of the arguements against the use of gas were also applied to strychnine.
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Tippy
New Member
United Kingdom
17 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 20:12:44
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i must say that i generally get good results with gas, you just have to be careful with it but doesnt the same go for most of our products?
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merlin
Starting Member
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Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 21:25:52
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John,
I think the best H&S; advice that can be given is to employ an experianced mole specialist, if you contact the bpca they will be able to point you in the right direction. The key to effective mole control is experience. Newly trained staff need a lot of field experience before they are truely effective.
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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
382 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 22:13:28
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My thoughts. If you need to ask such questions, you are indeed not ready to start using the product
Let us hope that his efforts dont make newspaper headlines
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