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andyb
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 17:52:54
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Just to let you know, and to show that there is no animosity with those that think the UKPCO is causing problems.
ABCompleteWildlife Management is a fully paid up member of the NPTA. So please don't alienate the other members and myself, lets all work towards a better future in Pest Control. I will be an active member of the NPTA. So why not get involved with the UKPCO at www.ukpestcontrollers.org if you are an independant pester.
Lets all work together and get the industry the recognition it deserves.
A Merry Christmas to you ALL.
Andy
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vermincontrol
Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 10:10:53
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Well done Andy, i am proud to be a part of the ukpco and benefit from the shared knowledge of old and new pesties. I have been in this game for a lot of years now and am still learning from others, the ukpco certainly helps all that require its help.
Keep up the good work.
We should all work together to improve the industry not knock each other, and stab each other in the back. Does it really matter if that pestie charges more or less than you do, as long as you are happy that you have done the best you can for the customer at a reasonable cost then everyone is happy.
The thing i like with the ukpco is that if a pest job comes up out of your area it can be passed over to someone else knowing that the pestie can carry out the work properly.
Have a nice Christmas one and all.
Steve
It Has 2 Be Done Pest Control
www.ithas2bedone.co.uk
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Bob Staines
Senior Member
United Kingdom
129 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 13:43:23
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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 22:56:14
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More to the point Bob, it's been a good while since I have even noticed UKPCO mentioned on this forum. Not too sure why Andy chose to make his post, but I wish you a Merry Christmas too Andy
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Iain
Moderator
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 10:48:52
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Andy,
Welcome aboard!
I first read your posting when I had a load to read and thought "I must respond to that" - and promptly forgot until someone brought my attention back to it.
For those of you who aren't aware of who Andy is (yes there may still be one or two), he is one of the founder members of the UKPCO, which is sometimes portrayed as a 'dissident' group that have broken away from the NPTA. Whilst that may be so for a few, I personally feel that this group has added a lot to the industry over the last 12 months and should be encouraged. Their lively and informative Forum, (whilst sometimes irreverant  ) has to be regarded as one of the successes of 2006.
Naturally, as a member of the Management Board of the NPTA, I also feel that we - and particularly those colleagues of mine who have worked so hard for the past 14 years - have also made a very significant and postive contribution to the industry and will continue to do so....but we don't neccessarily have all the answers.
My personal view is that we are entering a new phase in the industry which bodes well for us all. The 'new man' at the BPCA, Oliver Madge seems keen to work more closely with the NPTA (who were once a 'breakaway' group) which we are keen to support. For Andy Beddoes to join the NPTA, with a clear desire to be an active member, is also a significant statement of intent.
The various associations within the industry are not mutually exclusive and each has advantages to offer their members. That is why so many are members of more than one.
So may I take this opportunity to wish everyone who has the best interests of the industry at heart a Happy New Year and hope that I get to meet many of you in person in the not too distant future.
Iain Turner
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
700 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 14:05:16
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 Iain, there is a whole thread with unanswered questions about the founding of UKPCO on here, quietly ignored.
Andy deleted most of his previous postings .10th May 2006 was his last post,what has changed since then?
I notice no reciprocal link to the Portal a bit one sided?
But Happy New Year.
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dennis
New Member
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Posted - 01 Jan 2007 : 10:26:15
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Nick happy new year I would love to answer all your questions, but we are sworn to secrecy when we join, and unless you know the special handshake and which leg to stand on and which trouser leg to roll up we are not even supposed to be speaking to you, so please dont tell the others. Seriously though there are no big secrets. It is just a group of like minded independents trying to help each other out while at the same time trying to promote responsible pest control. If you are a member and you have a concern or a query it will be answered if your not a member and all you want to do is knock those that are then its non of your business.
All The Best for 2007
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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
382 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 09:52:34
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What ever happened to transparency and knowing exactly what you are getting signed up for?
Perhaps it's me with the weird slant on things but I like to know all about any association I consider joining.
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dennis
New Member
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Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 10:09:39
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| All you have to do is ask, Though if you are serious about joining I dont think we have discussed the subject of allowing members from outside the UK yet. This is probably why we could not answer all the questions in the previous thread. being a brand new organisation we just did not have the answers at that time. and we probably still do not have some. |
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ABPest
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 11:40:33
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Dusty, I think you will find that UKPCO is very transparent.
If you look at the UKPCO home page ( not straight into the forum ) you will find what UKPCO is about.
If you read the pages of the forum, they tell you what each page is for and who can access it ( but of course, you are already aware of this ).
As we have said many times,the forum is open to most people, except for 1 part that is for full members of the "organisation" known as UKPCO.
This has been repeated many times, there are no secrets, UKPCO is steadily growing in size, and steadily developing. Iain has kindly described UKPCO as one of the successes of 2006, we thank him and you for your previous kind comments. We wish to continue building on this success.
Other people have labelled us as "dissidents", we do not consider ourselves as such, but merely as Pest Controllers who have a desire to improve themselves and the industry and who wish to support each other as sole traders/independant Pest Controllers.
Some members of UKPCO are members of NPTA, we are not a substitute for the NPTA nor the BPCA, we see ourselves as being something different, and offering something different. As Iain stated, all the organisations have their advantages.
We have many ideas being considered at this present time, some of which are quite exciting, to further develop UKPCO. 2007 looks very interesting!
There are a few pest controllers that could have joined in and helped set up UKPCO, for various reasons they chose to oppose it. That is the way of the world, there are always people for and people against. One or two have been upset because their posts have been removed for various reasons and some have come along and found the organisation does not represent them and their interests. There is nothing wrong in this !
Virtually every subject posted on the pest control fora, yours included, have people who agree and those that disagree. Live with it! Every post that knocks the UKPCO is another opportunity for us to advertise the UKPCO, so we do not mind. The detractors also help us keep our feet firmly on the ground.
And as Dennis stated, it is unlikely you could successflly apply for membership of UKPCO as you are not working in the UK. As you know, however, your comments are always welcome on the UKPCO forum.
Best wishes for 2007, lets hope the England cricket team can thrash you in the final test match ( some hope! ).
Adrian.
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andyb
Senior Member
United Kingdom
238 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 17:23:56
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Your are correct Nick in saying that there is no link from the NPTA to the UKPCO however there is one from the UKPCO website to the NPTA.
Check the links page.
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merlin
Starting Member
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Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 20:25:23
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I can only speak as I find. As a potential member of all 3 organisations I was most impressed by UKPCO. My first port of call was the BPCA after all they trained me way back in the mists of time it took 12 weeks for a reply and I am still waiting for a reply from a discussion at pest tech. The NPTA didn't even bother to reply. after following a link on this tread I asked for information about UKPCO and received the info 20 minutes later and will be talking to them tomorrow. On a personal note the members seem very friendly and willing to help.
In my eyes if the big 2 are alienating UKPCO members, they are shooting yourselves in the foot. The industry does not need to be split, surely all organisations want to improve the public perception of the industry and improve standards within it.
Maybe they are alienating UKPCO members because they can see the potential as I can!!
Wishing everyone in pestland a very happy and prosperous 2007
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vermincontrol
Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 21:22:51
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i too was a member of the npta many years ago (albeit under a different trade name to now) and i must confess that after i had joined i did wonder why i spent the joining fee and what did i get out of the membership.
Well i am still questioning it to this day, however like all associations they improve with age and so i would guess it is better now than it was then.
I still cant convince myself that it would bring me in any more work by re joining them.
At least the UKPCO members are prepared to share any work that the individuals cannot cope with or is beyond their individual training, or even just out of their teritory.
cant be fairer than that.
( i still have my original npta cert on the wall, how sad is that)
Steve
It Has 2 Be Done Pest Control
www.ithas2bedone.co.uk
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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
382 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2007 : 23:28:55
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Adrian, I have no great wish to join your group. UK and Australian laws are very similar and I see the potential for all to be held responsible if something goes wrong under the UKPCO banner.
I was merely responding to the post Dennis made .....
..."If you are a member and you have a concern or a query it will be answered if your not a member and all you want to do is knock those that are then its non of your business."
I wish the group well, but if some members are going to make silly comments like this to score a point, it's hard to take you seriously.
Perhaps it is time to delegate a publicity officer who is responsible for the official word on the group
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dennis
New Member
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Posted - 03 Jan 2007 : 00:32:22
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| There is nothing silly in my comment, I was merely expressing my thoughts, you and several others on this forum have made out in the past that we should not be taken seriously, ok it may not be yours or Mr Andersons cup of tea but why try to make out that there is something underhand going on. You only have to read the posts on the forum, if somebody asks for advice they get it there is no back biting or sniping or derogatory comments as you quite often get on this site. |
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
700 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2007 : 09:09:52
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Originally posted by dennis
You only have to read the posts on the forum, if somebody asks for advice they get it there is no back biting or sniping or derogatory comments as you quite often get on this site.
No you surprise me, no deleted postings no topics taken into private area, Mr Eastwood you should look again.
Questions are asked we become knockers, but the questions remain unanswered what are we to think?
Rules were formed and promptly rewritten or ignored so some could be members,but each to their own.
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Iain
Moderator
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2007 : 09:13:16
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Gentlemen Please!
Can we end this now. If you wish to take this any further, please do it elsewhere.
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NickA
Hyperactive Member
United Kingdom
700 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2007 : 09:18:51
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Iain, its healthy debate, but this is the portal not recruiting ground for UKPCO.
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merlin
Starting Member
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Posted - 03 Jan 2007 : 09:55:16
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This country has a long tradition of debating important issues.
I feel it very unfair to try to stifle an interesting thread.
as the PCP moderators are trying to stop this tread telling all to take it elsewhere the only conclusion that I can draw is that they feel threatened by the "new boys" any further thoughts? If as is stated rules where bent etc surely this is of interest to potential members and full discussion is necessary to conclude everyones concerns.
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Iain
Moderator
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2007 : 10:37:25
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Constructive debate is fine, but there is a danger of this one descending into a bicker, which doesn't do anyone any good.
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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
382 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2007 : 10:57:09
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Dennis, I have no qualms about UKPCO. I post there occasionally, throw in my two cents worth and try to help with another view point from another part of the world.
What puzzled me, and as I posted previously, I am at loss to know why Andy created this thread when no comment had been made about UKPCO on the Portal for months, neither pro nor con.
Yes I am unashamedly a friend of Nick's, as I hope I am of Adrian as well. I am on good terms with Iain and Martyn, and exchange emails with a number of members who post on one/the other/or both the Portal and UKPCO.
I cant speak for others, but none that I have corresponded with hopes for anything but good fortune for the ongoing development of UKPCO. Not all agree with all the philosophy, but that is their right to do so, just as it is also your right to disagree.
The angst I have is that as soon as someone like Nick makes a comment, the hounds start baying.
It reminds me somewhat of a bunch of henchmen rushing in to verbally pound the crap out of anyone who dares think tangentially to UKPCO. No one really likes bullyboys!!
Nick, and I know a number of others, believe they have a number of questions unanswered. You have three choices. Answer his queries; don't respond to them; or keep sniping.
Sniping is fine for some, but if you are an official representatives of UKPCO, imagine what an impression that makes.
My comment about transparency was made as a genuine attempt to enlighten you as to how others may view your group. The post I quoted, merely highlighted that. Ignore my advice, I dont mind, but I offer it freely with a good deal of experience of many years running both a state and then a national sporting association.
Read again, and heed my post. I do not have any axe to grind with UKPCO, I occasionally post on your forum, and log in almost every day.
Off my soap box.
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