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Miss LoLo
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 14:43:22
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Can someone help me in telling me whether this is mouse or a baby rat?
I caught this is my home a few days ago. I have had a constant problem with mice - or what i thought was mice - for the past 2 and half years but since catching this i am unsure now whether it is mice ive had or it is rats...
PLEASE HELP!!!!
http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q271/Miss-LoLo/?action=createwidgets |
Edited by - Miss LoLo on 07 Jan 2007 20:56:26
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vermincontrol
Senior Member
United Kingdom
107 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 19:13:22
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Cant open up the video or picture from your link so sorry cant help you
Steve
It Has 2 Be Done Pest Control
www.ithas2bedone.co.uk
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Miss LoLo
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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podman
New Member
14 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 21:12:33
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Hope it was dispatched in a quick and humane way seeing it was caught
on a glueboard...although somehow I doubt it. I think the laws should be
reviewed regarding the retail selling of these to the public. |
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Miss LoLo
Starting Member
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2007 : 21:36:20
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I have a 3 year old child in the house so quite frankly and im sorry if this does offend people but i am not concerned with how they are caught and disposed of.
I have been living with these VERMIN now for over 2 years and have had more than enough of them crawling over my house and my daughters toys. I will use ANY means possible to get rid of them!!!
I have had snap traps down and poison but have only managed to ever catch one using the glue traps so for me - who isnt concerned for the welfare of a mouse but for te wefare of my daughter - they are great!! |
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Fenn Man
Senior Member
Ireland
229 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 04:45:59
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" Miss LoLo ". Hullo.
Judging by the surrounding features ~ fittings and what I take to be a 'Mouse Trap' ~ It's a House Mouse.
These creatures present a 'Clear and Present Danger' ~ as the accepted, modern saying goes ~ to your childs health and your own.
You appear to be an " Amateur ". I.e. You're not versed in the methods of clearing your property of such creatures, nor the ways of halting any potential recurrance. Am I correct so far?
Ok. Taking that as so; Are you a House Owner? Tenant? Council Tenant? Housing Association Tenant? Only, it may depend on ye situation just who may take care of this problem, Professionally and expediantly.
What ever the case, please get off the net and on the phone. Find out who's responsible for pests on your property. Call them in.
If you're personally responsible? Get a Professional in. Stop wasting time with 'Home Cures'. If ye had a leak, ye'd call a Plumber, surely? E Bay is Not the answer. K?
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Iain
Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 08:11:11
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Fenn Man is absolutely correct.
Everyone thinks it's easy to get rid of mice - often it isn't. That's why there are a lot of people out there who have had the training to deal with pests such as mice and who offer a professional service.
If you are undecided as to how to choose a suitable professional pest controller, these are the websites of the two Trade Associations:
http://www.bpca.org.uk http://www.npta.org.uk
Both will be able to suggest a few professional pest controllers in your area and advice as to how to choose one best suited to your needs.
If you are a council tenant or are on any form of benefit, you may prefer to call your local Council's Environmental Health Department's Pest Control Section. You should also be able to get them on the Net.
Whichever of these options you choose, it is very clear to me that you MUST call in professional help. |
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ABPest
Senior Member
United Kingdom
197 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 09:00:43
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Don't forget UKPCO either, check out ukpestcontrollers.org the members of which may also be members of BPCA and/or NPTA.
God luck,
Adrian. |
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Miss LoLo
Starting Member
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 09:45:52
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I am in a council property... I have lived here for 2 and a half years and have had a problem with mice for 2 and a half years.
I have had the council out every year about this problem and have even resorted to paying for someone privately but with no joy.
I have had the Grain type bait, snap traps, glueboards, and and now have the green block stuff which they seem to be chomping their way through. There was a huge chunk just under 2 inces long that was found under my sofa where obviously the mouse/rat whatever it is took it out of the box.
I ave gone round blocking up holes and had the council out to do an inspection but nothing seems to work...
I am now at my absolute wits end. |
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Dusty
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 10:00:06
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Cheese on the snap trap?
That kind of suggests that the LA and the pro were also using cheese ffs.
Don't feed them, get Rid of them |
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Gamekeeper
Senior Member
United Kingdom
165 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 11:12:50
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If I am not mistaken it looks like the mouse had tried to chew its leg off because of all the blood on the board ! Question is; how often was the board checked and was the mouse humanely killed or just left to suffer ?
Holiday ? What holiday ? |
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Miss LoLo
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 12:33:01
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I never put cheese on the trap as i have been told tat mice do not like cheese but love chocolate and anything sweet/sticky??
As for how often the board was checked, every day at least twice, but at the time that mouse was caught i was at my mums house so it was probably stuck to the board for about a day! and if you look closely the blood is actually from around its mouth, not its leg! |
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Jonathan Peck
Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 13:37:10
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Miss LoLo
If you say in which area you live, it may be that someone in your area would be prepared to visit you to offer advice.
Best wishes
Jonathan Peck
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Iain
Moderator
United Kingdom
224 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 13:42:36
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It sounds to me as though you have had a particularly difficult time, for which you have my sympathies.
You must realise, however, that one treatment will not stop the rodents returning in the future and it is virtually impossible to proof against mice 100%. A great deal will also depend on what is happening in ajoining properties.
Am I right in assuming that yours is not a detached property, so if any of your neighbours are infested, you will likely have a recurrent problem.
If you are prepared to post your approximate location here, you may well get a volunteer from one of our viewers for a free visit, so that they can assess your situation, give you the best advice and - if you agree to it - carry out a treatment.
If you would prefer more discretion, please feel free to e-mail me directly. I do not work for a pest control service provider - I am a supplier to these guys. Hopefully I could put you in touch with someone who could do a better job than you seem to have had in the past. |
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Miss LoLo
Starting Member
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2007 : 18:11:47
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Thank you Jonathan an Iain for both of your replies.
I am in the Hayes area of Middlesex.
Also, I live on an estate - enough said!! - so i have a couple hundred neighbours, none of which, i was told by the council last year ever complain about mice (lies, me thinks) though i was told by my local MP this year, (who i contacted as the problem has been going on for waaaaaaaaaaay too long with little help from the council) that the council "lie through their teeth"
I have had more than onetreatment for mice, ive lived here for just over 2 and a half years and hae had poison in my home for that whole time. :( |
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Jonathan Peck
Member
United Kingdom
67 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2007 : 00:12:18
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I suspect that your problem is that there are mice in your block of flats and although you have been killing the ones that have taken the poison, there are many more in the block which are moving into your flat.
Research has shown that the only way to treat a block of dwellings is to carry out a complete block treatment, which will involve the council in a major treatment programme. You will never control the mice in isolation.
You have two ways to get the council to consider action. The first is that under the new Housing Act, you are entitled to have your property inspected and rated. You are suffering from a hazard 16 which is a hazard from pests.
The second way is to take the council to court under the 1936 Health Act. This was sucessfully used by a number of tenants some years ago in London. The council ended up paying out millions in compensation.
Your local Citizens Advice Bureau should be able to help you with advice in both cases. Alternatively, there are consultants who specialise in these matters but they will need paying.
If you need any further help, e-mail me on [email protected].
Best wishes
Jonathan Peck
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nigel
Senior Member
358 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2007 : 07:37:03
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Good advice from Jonathan.
I am sorry you have had to experience this type of problem, yet each year hundreds of thousands of people experience the same problem as yourself all over the country, with many putting up with it for many years from my experience.
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Research has shown that the only way to treat a block of dwellings is to carry out a complete block treatment, which will involve the council in a major treatment programme.
Under the Prevention of damage by pests act 1949, if it becomes obvious to an LA that an infestation originates from neighbouring properties, they are obliged to treat the whole block as one unit.
So this type of problem has been known about since before this act came out.
They very rarely do from my experience and even if they do, many still miss the point. They should still be addressing the proofing side as this is the only way to prevent further infestations.
You can have whole rows of properties infested because a single neighbour has just one proofing defect. |
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vermincontrol
Senior Member
United Kingdom
107 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 12:23:00
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I have to go to a block of flats this afternoon that has just this problem, however the environmental people are now on the case as the flat that is the main cause of the problem wont do anything about treating them and so they are running up and down the cavity to access other flats through the waste pipe exits. i have a constant battle with the tenants to carry out the work and as they are privately owned or rented the environmental dept was a last resort to making the owners carry out treatment. a 10 day notice was served to the tenant in question and if not complied with the enviro have said that they will forcebly enter and burn everything in side (not literally inside the flat) in order to try to control the problem. then with baiting eslswhere in the block we may start to get somewhere. all of the flats that i have so far treated and sealed the points of entry seem to be ok but the problems are just moved elsewhere, and when you can stand outside and see the mice climbing the curtains through the windows you know there is a problem.
Steve
It Has 2 Be Done Pest Control
www.ithas2bedone.co.uk
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Bigbully
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 12:54:13
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Reference Nigel's comment re the 49 Act ..... LA's have the power to treat multiple premises as a single premises (section 6)but do not have an obligation to do so. The power provides LAs with a shortcut to resolve problems with blocks or properties in multiple ownership.In this case it would appear that all the properties in the block are under single ownership (ie the council/housing association) and if this were in my borough I would be looking to them to arrange and fund the block control required.
I am assuming that this is a Council estate rather than one run by a Housing Association. Jonathon's advice is sound but I would advise going thorugh the Housing provider's complaints system which, if you do not get a satisfactory response, would allow you to approach the local government ombudsman. Your local councillors should also be interested in providing you with appropriate assistance and may help to light fires under those who need to move on this for you. |
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nigel
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 17:12:50
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| As you rightly say Bigbully, they have no obligation to, given that LA's whole arguement for ignoring their legal obligations under the 49 act and especially how they may actually engage in the treatment of rats and mice at premises, because they claim to be acting in the interest of public health. I am sure Miss lo-lo will disagree. LA's call it "Ultra vires" to us it is called "acting beyond their powers". |
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Miss LoLo
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jan 2007 : 18:49:31
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| BigBully... I have been to my local MP about this problem who has written to the council himself. I have also had environmental health out today who told me he does not understand how they are getting in as there are no points of entry and all the ones that there were have now all been blocked so its a bit of a mystery. |
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A mouse or a baby rat? *picture link now working*
